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Evangelicals Condemn Torture
Fox News ^ | Monday, March 12, 2007 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 03/12/2007 4:20:04 PM PDT by Sopater

The National Association of Evangelicals has endorsed an anti-torture statement saying the United States has crossed "boundaries of what is legally and morally permissible" in its treatment of detainees and war prisoners in the fight against terror.

Human rights violations committed in the name of preventing terrorist attacks have made the country look hypocritical to the Muslim world, the document states. Christians have an obligation rooted in Scripture to help Americans "regain our moral clarity."

"Our military and intelligence forces have worked diligently to prevent further attacks. But such efforts must not include measures that violate our own core values," the document says. "The United States historically has been a leader in supporting international human rights efforts, but our moral vision has blurred since 9-11."

The statement, "An Evangelical Declaration Against Torture: Protecting Human Rights in an Age of Terror," was drafted by 17 evangelical scholars, writers and activists who call themselves Evangelicals for Human Rights. The board of the National Association of Evangelicals, an umbrella group, announced late Sunday that it had endorsed the document.

Several of the drafters have been advocates for a broader policy focus for Christian conservatives beyond abortion and marriage. One of the co-authors, the Rev. Rich Cizik, the NAE's Washington policy director, has drawn criticism from Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and others for his environmental activism.

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1 posted on 03/12/2007 4:20:07 PM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater
The statement, "An Evangelical Declaration Against Torture: Protecting Human Rights in an Age of Terror," was drafted by 17 evangelical scholars, writers and activists who call themselves Evangelicals for Human Rights.

Here's a link to that report: An Evangelical Declaration Against Torture: Protecting Human Rights in an Age of Terror (18 page PDF file)
3 posted on 03/12/2007 4:23:45 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Are this bunch true, bible-thumping, spittle-spewing evangelicals?

More likely they're latte-sipping, drugs and sex addled, ponytailed liberals.


4 posted on 03/12/2007 4:27:15 PM PDT by Scourge of God (Remember, liberals, 'baaa' means NO!)
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To: Sopater

I think that Bush is a meanie...


(note:this is sarcasm)


5 posted on 03/12/2007 4:27:24 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Sopater
I guess they believe force conversions to Islam and beheading is acceptable...


6 posted on 03/12/2007 4:30:18 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Scourge of God
I doubt it, lit that Rev. who fights religion in schools and such, if he is a Rev then I am a Japanese Air Plane pilot.
7 posted on 03/12/2007 4:31:40 PM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: Sopater

Sounds like the National Council of [Liberal, Apostate] Churches, not the National Association of Evangelicals.


8 posted on 03/12/2007 4:35:21 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: darkwing104
What these nice people aren't taking into account is that if Sharia law were to be enforced in their world, they would be the first to go. And dhimmitude is not a concept that leads an Evangelical Christian to a sense of self worth.
9 posted on 03/12/2007 4:37:07 PM PDT by Thebaddog (What does a dog do on three feet?)
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To: LiteKeeper

You are right. This association has been hijacked by liberals, and I believe that will become more and more apparent as time goes on. They don't seem to concern themselves much with evangelical matters, but with liberal political matters. Before this, they were touting the liberal line on global warming.


10 posted on 03/12/2007 4:39:16 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Sopater
What torture? Ours or there's....
11 posted on 03/12/2007 4:42:24 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Scourge of God
Are this bunch true, bible-thumping, spittle-spewing evangelicals?

More likely they're latte-sipping, drugs and sex addled, ponytailed liberals.



That is exactly what they are. NEA is a far left bunch trying to use the Evangelical wording to make people believe they are truly evangelicals.

Just google them.
12 posted on 03/12/2007 4:46:21 PM PDT by Taichi (Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse)
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To: Sopater

Wasn't this the group Ted Haggard was president of before he resigned?


13 posted on 03/12/2007 4:49:23 PM PDT by asburygrad
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To: Sopater
The National Association of Evangelicals has endorsed an anti-torture statement saying the United States has crossed "boundaries of what is legally and morally permissible" in its treatment of detainees and war prisoners in the fight against terror.

These people gave themselves away right off the bat. If they were objecting to our conduct of war on purely Christian grounds, as I'm sure they would like us to believe, then there is no reason why they would include the "legally" permissible part of their statement. That part of the statement is purely political, focusing on secular law rather than Christian belief and, unless they are the National Association of Evangelical Lawyers, they have no business making such assertions, at least not under the color of a religious organization.
14 posted on 03/12/2007 4:54:08 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Sopater

"National Association of Evangelicals" is Ted Haggard's outfit. Gay prostitutes, drug addicts, etc..


15 posted on 03/12/2007 4:59:39 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Sopater

Oh brother. Much better that we don't get valuable information and save thousands of lives.


16 posted on 03/12/2007 5:10:56 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Much better that we don't get valuable information and save thousands of lives.

Amen, Sister!

And, if some rogues do get any such information by 'torture', then it is up to the Legally Controlling Authority to arrest them, and ignore the information until it can be re-obtained without the smell of tainted fruits.

Better that a 1,000,000 innocents should die, than 1 guilty person be inconvenienced, so we can "preserve our core values".

17 posted on 03/12/2007 5:25:19 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Muhammadanism is torture but it's considered legal in countries ruled by Sharia law.

I don't think that's what they're talking about, though, is it?

Someone tell them to go to Iraq and protest the treatment of Iraqis by Iraqis and THEN, maybe, we'll take them at least a little bit seriously.

Or maybe we will still consider them full of hot air, unwilling to confront Muhammadanism for what it truly is. (And that would be: dangerous to one's health.)

18 posted on 03/12/2007 5:25:30 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Everybody should have the right to carry a firearm openly. And to use it if necessary.)
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To: Peach; All

Kind of a Christian conundrum... I know that Christians (of which I am one) believe that it is a noble thing to be persecuted and die for your faith, but how does a Christian reconcile his belief in loving others if they allow murderers such as islamic terrorists to kill innocent people who are "not" Christians? Do you just passively stand by and watch them slaughter those who are not saved by the biblical definition, but aren't willing to ascribe to the radical islamists?

I believe that Christians are compelled to protect the innocent in their charge or their innocent neighbors, whether they be children or adults. To me, it would seem a greater sin to allow a murderer to kill an innocent human being than to kill or torture the murderer in order to save lives.


19 posted on 03/12/2007 5:32:40 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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They are doing what the left always does.

Get a small core group with some relation to a social identity and then put that identity into an organization name ("Clerics", "Nuns", "Blacks", "Hispanics", "Gays", "Catholics of Conscience", etc. etc, etc.) as a way to try to (1)hijack the name of that idenitity (2) attach that identity to a leftist political agenda, and (3)impose that political agenda as orthodox thinking among all people who identify themselves with that social identity.

It is classic Marxist group thought control.

What you are seeing now with this "Evangelical" group is the first step - creating acceptance of the group as representing "Evangelicals", together with the second step - attaching the "Evangelical" label to this particular cause.

In time you will see attempts to force other Evangelical groups into silence if they oppose the view of this group. That is what they did with "Blacks" (your not really black unless you are somewhere on the left) and every other identity group they have formed.

What really amazes me is how readily many Evangelicals do not see how their faith is being hijacked for causes that are being promoted by "one world government" movements.


20 posted on 03/12/2007 6:07:03 PM PDT by Wuli
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