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Romney says government was wrong in Schiavo case
St. Petersburg Times ^ | March 11, 2007 | Adam C. Smith

Posted on 03/11/2007 7:40:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

TAMPA -- He's campaigning hard for support from Republican social conservatives, but presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Saturday he disagreed with the government's intervention in the Terri Schiavo case.

"I think it's probably best to leave these kinds of matters in the hands of the courts," Romney said in a television interview airing today.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; elections; euthanasia; judicialtyranny; moralabsolutes; romney; romneyschiavo; schiavo; shiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Rome2000
Yeah I hope one day your kid marries a psychotic male nurse with a death fetish who then starves her to death against your wishes.

This is one of the more vile posts I have ever read on FR.

461 posted on 03/12/2007 6:21:24 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Well said my friend.


462 posted on 03/12/2007 6:26:26 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: Swordfished
I believe it is a voter's duty to vote against the worse candidate.

Yep, and many times when we vote for the "lesser of two evils" we end up with the "evil of the two evils."

463 posted on 03/12/2007 6:32:22 AM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
>> I don't want the Federal government looking over my shoulder.

The Florida government got involved at Michael Schiavo's own invitation in 1998. It was seven years later, one week before Terri's death at the hands of state government, that the feds reacted. Their intervention had no effect whatever on the case.

As a libertarian, I object to government murders. Don't you?

464 posted on 03/12/2007 6:35:17 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: All

it best to leave these matters to the court.

That is their job.


HOWEVER, (the fun part) what happens when the courts disregard the law and facts? What happens when trial level judges count on the LACK OF MONEY FOR APPEALS to basically do whatever they want.

Most people have ZERO money for appeals. Judges know this. This means the law is irrelevant in the eyes of a judge with a pre-determined outcome.


465 posted on 03/12/2007 6:37:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: T'wit

It was not murder.


466 posted on 03/12/2007 6:39:05 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer
This is one of the more vile posts I have ever read on FR.

Yep...a new low. Hopefully not going to be a common occurrence.

467 posted on 03/12/2007 6:40:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: supercat
I have no idea, and don't really care about proving that's what it was, as I don't and can't know what happened - I wasn't there. Neither were you. You asked for a "remotely plausible explanation as to how Terri may have come to be incapacitated without Michael Schiavo having grievously injured her?"

Grievous injury results in physical findings. Based on the complete lack of findings for abuse, arrhythmia is much more plausible.

468 posted on 03/12/2007 6:43:24 AM PDT by retMD
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To: RadioAstronomer

That's what Ted Bundy said about all those women he "loved" to death.


469 posted on 03/12/2007 6:46:51 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX (Bible Thumper and Proud!))
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To: EternalVigilance

She had plenty of "function." She responded to, and enjoyed the company of, her family and friends. Anyone who tells you otherwise is pushing a pro-death agenda. I personally interviewed a number of people who all told me the same things about her responses.

And I believe the medical reports, and particularly the autopsy report, which is incompatible with what your friends say they saw. They do not sound like unbiased observers. I have seen sad situations where family will insist a patient has function, pointing to basic brainstem reflexes as proof. It is understandable but sad that families will misinterpret such reflexes because they so want to believe their loved one is still "with it."

The guardian ad litem looked at all such reports, sat with Terri, and concluded she did not respond or have the function you claim. The autopsy supported his conclusion.

But, in any case, mere men have no right to play God and determine when another should exit this vale of tears.

I can respect this opinion, but not attempts to distort the medical facts.

470 posted on 03/12/2007 6:53:32 AM PDT by retMD
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To: Gelato

I have read the autopsy report. Of the 40 doctors who claimed she was MCS rather than PVS how many actually examined her? Just as the autopsy can't prove PVS because it is a functional, not anatomical diagnosis, you can't use it as evidence for MCS for the same reason.

As to "relative preservation" yes, as 50% is more than 10%, for example. It doesn't mean she had enough grey matter to function. Please point me to a credible pathologist who disputes the cortical blindness.

Gone for the rest of the day, but I'll look for your link to pathologists' opinions.


471 posted on 03/12/2007 7:00:56 AM PDT by retMD
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To: pillut48

Now that is a very bizarre post you just made.

" Is this to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation of the so-called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris... "


472 posted on 03/12/2007 7:10:57 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: KevinDavis

I see. So, really the government has no business stopping citizens from killing, raping, etc., each other.


473 posted on 03/12/2007 7:16:32 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: proxy_user
Now if he had said the Federal government and courts had no place in this dispute, he might be a conservative.

He might be a libertatian, but he is sure no consevative.

The on goin effort on this forum to marganilize Christians and send them to the back of the bus continues.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is one of the most famous phrases in the United States Declaration of Independence. These three aspects are listed among the "unalienable rights" of man.


474 posted on 03/12/2007 7:20:14 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: cripplecreek
not a simple answer.= Metaphore for I don't want to be bothered with this, let someone else do it.

Jhnn 19:4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

Then he washed his hands in a public manner to show there was no simple answer.

475 posted on 03/12/2007 7:28:56 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: RadioAstronomer

Nope, not bizarre. Just depends on your point of view, doesn't it? You say "justified euthanasia", we say "murder".


476 posted on 03/12/2007 7:35:58 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX (Bible Thumper and Proud!))
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To: EternalVigilance

Maybe Mitt was going for the headline. "Government was wrong in the Schiavo case," you say? Which govt? The legislature that tried to intervene? The courts that sentenced an innocent woman to death and upheld the sentence? The police who surrounded her and kept her family from her deathbed, lest they give her a drop of water, lest she give them some sign of recognition? The state governor who sympathized and ultimately hadn't the guts to protect her, and who washed his hands like Pilate?
Which government was wrong and which was right? Ah, the courts were right.
Let's fix that headline for him: "Romney says outcome was right in the Schiavo case."
This closes the Romney case for me.


477 posted on 03/12/2007 7:39:25 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: retMD
Thanks for posting. It takes some courage, given how emotionally invested some people are in the Schiavo matter.

I see a lot of complaints here. But I see no action to support legislation to correct what the Schiavo supporters object to. The state legislatures and Congress are available for people to run for office and implement their solution to these situations. But they don't. And they can't seem to find any elected officials to show any interest either.

My own dad is at the end stages of Alzheimers. It's very difficult to tell a few members of the family that he's just not going to recover. They seem to just ignore it when the doctors say that brain tissue does not regenerate. He has a 'good' day (usually because he had an opiate patch the night before) and they start talking about taking him home.

Very difficult to get people to understand the reality of PVS and end-of-life issues.
478 posted on 03/12/2007 7:43:47 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
"Very difficult to get people to understand the reality of PVS and end-of-life issues."
---Yeah. Especially when someone is starved to death and refused water. State sanctioned murder is quite difficult to understand.

Romney lost a lot of votes with his casual candor on this issue, including mine.

479 posted on 03/12/2007 7:54:28 AM PDT by TheBridge
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To: TheBridge
Romney lost a lot of votes with his casual candor on this issue, including mine.

Yeah, if he ever had your vote.

You'll find the GOP is unwilling to repeat this mistake.

Plenty of reasons to oppose euthanasia. But the Schiavo matter was a bad test case. Personally, I didn't agree with withholding water.
480 posted on 03/12/2007 8:13:30 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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