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Defector spied on Iran for years: General Ali Reza Asgari
Times OnLIne ^ | 11 March 2007 | Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv

Posted on 03/11/2007 8:32:15 AM PDT by shrinkermd

AN Iranian general who defected to the West last month had been spying on Iran since 2003 when he was recruited on an overseas business trip, according to Iranian sources.

This weekend Brigadier General Ali Reza Asgari, 63, the former deputy defence minister, is understood to be undergoing debriefing at a Nato base in Germany after he escaped from Iran, followed by his family.

A daring getaway via Damascus was organised by western intelligence agencies after it became clear that his cover was about to be blown. Iran’s notorious secret service, the Vavak, is believed to have suspected that he was a high-level mole.

According to the Iranian sources, the escape took several months to arrange. At least 10 close members of his family had to flee the country. Asgari has two sons, a daughter and several grandchildren and it is believed that all, including his daughters-in-law, are now out of Iran. Their final destination is unknown.

Asgari is said to have carried with him documents disclosing Iran’s links to terrorists in the Middle East. It is not thought that he had details of the country’s nuclear programme...

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: asgari; iran; wot
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He could become a key player in a new regime.
1 posted on 03/11/2007 8:32:17 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

This story is an Iranian attempt at damage control, designed to create doubt in the minds of Western intel about the factual nature and usefulness of Asgari's info and docs.


2 posted on 03/11/2007 8:35:45 AM PDT by Remole
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To: shrinkermd

This is the equivalent of having Himmler or Goering on our payroll. Whoa.


3 posted on 03/11/2007 8:35:54 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

"This is the equivalent of having Himmler or Goering on our payroll. Whoa."

Bush's fault


4 posted on 03/11/2007 8:41:27 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: shrinkermd

What we see here (assuming it's not a disinformation campaign) is another example of of what I call the Ice Berg war. 90% of the GWOT is below the surface.


5 posted on 03/11/2007 8:43:04 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: shrinkermd

Just damnnnn


6 posted on 03/11/2007 8:43:46 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: driftdiver

"Bush's fault" Yep. Gotta agree. Some, however, will certainly point out the immorality of spying on another sovereign state. To hell with them.


7 posted on 03/11/2007 9:01:21 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Nancy Pelosi's big mouth will be flapping next week about the injustice of us spying on Iran. Pelosi and her nest of anti-American, anti-military snakes never met an enemy of the US that she didn't feel sorry for.


8 posted on 03/11/2007 9:08:25 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: shrinkermd
Didn't IRAQ have several 'defectors' who maintain to this day that Saddam had WMD right before the invasion?

Obviously in the real world these informants can provide invaluable data but remember this, in the world of make believe that exists in the DBM and in the minds of Democrats, "IS isn't necessarily "IS".

9 posted on 03/11/2007 9:13:57 AM PDT by PISANO
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Yes, Iraqi generals and cabinet members believed Saddam still had WMD capability. They were flabbergasted (gobsmacked?) when, on the eve of the invasion, they found out he didn't. Saddam had been bluffing, trying to tell the UN he didn't have the weapons while convincing his neighbors and enemies he still did.

We're constantlys told President Bush lied, that he knew Saddam had no WMD stockpiles. If every intelligence agency in the world, and his own generals thought he had them, how did the President know otherwise?

10 posted on 03/11/2007 9:19:26 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Dilbert56; Peach

Why are you so sure there weren't any WMD? I think there were. Some were moved into Syria and likely Iran, and some probably remain buried in the desert to this day. Some were actually found, but no one cared because there weren't entire warehouses full--despite the fact that a tiny drop of some of these would kill thousands. But no one is interested in covering this, and so everyone including you repeats the big lie.


11 posted on 03/11/2007 9:53:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: shrinkermd
>>>He could become a key player in a new regime.<<<

First things first: after he becomes a key player in ridding Iran of the Mullah's and Ahmadinejad.

That can't happen too soon....hopefully next month!

12 posted on 03/11/2007 9:57:29 AM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: AdmSmith

Maybe Kappes had little to do with it ?


13 posted on 03/11/2007 10:09:58 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: MizSterious
I didn't say there weren't any WMD. Saddam didn't have chemical and biological weapons ready to use against our troops.

There have been at least 500 chemical warheads found, chemical rockets, yellowcake (under IAEA "seal"), etc. Saddam did tell his generals, as the invasion started, that he didn't have WMD for his troops to use.

According to the Dr. Kay and the Iraq Survey Group, Saddam had most of his WMD capability secure in "dual use" facilities that could be converted to chemical weapons production in a couple of months once the sanctions were lifted. Anything that couldn't pass for dual use was probably sent to Syria on the eve of the war. What else would have been in those truck convoys?

My point, apparently not well made, was that people high in Saddam's government and military believed he had WMD. Why shouldn't we have believed it too? The "Bush Lied" notion implies he knew Saddam didn't have WMD stockpiles. My question is: How would he have known if Saddam's own people didn't? A follow up question is: If the President knew there weren't WMD stockpiles, why did he feature them as the primary causus belli instead of human rights, treaty non-compliance, shooting at our planes, etc. His critics want us to believe he was simultaneously smarter than all the world's intelligence agencies and so stupid as to bank our country's reputation on something that would certainly be proven false.

14 posted on 03/11/2007 10:13:17 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: shrinkermd
"Asgari is said to have carried with him documents..."

I believe new disk technology allow several Gigs to be stored on a disk no bigger than a wrist watch.

A person at Asgari's level could have the technology and he could have taken Terabytes of data.

But "documents"...don't think so. Facsimiles, adobe formats...
15 posted on 03/11/2007 10:14:02 AM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: Remole
>>>...Iranian attempt at damage control, designed to create doubt in the minds of Western intel about the factual nature and usefulness... <<<

Byline: Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv. Ummmm - your post assumes an Iranian mole based in Tel Aviv writing for the UK Times. Possible but unlikely. Also, the fact the story gives credit to Mossad for recruiting him and aiding his escape also makes an Iranian source unlikely - to my way of thinking.

Reading the story, I don't see an attempt to discredit Asgari - matter of fact it makes him look wile and heroic.

16 posted on 03/11/2007 10:18:09 AM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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I believe new disk technology allow several Gigs to be stored on a disk no bigger than a wrist watch.

Yes, my FRiend, I hadn't been to a computer store in a number of years, imagine how stunned I was to see these little devices, the size of a short, slender lighter, with 2 gigs, and more, with a USB port connection!

How much did they cost? Just $30 bucks! So I bought a little one with two gigs on it, I put almost everything on it and rarely use the computer hard drive.

So our friend from Iran, with time to prepare, and maybe he was slipped a little "special" memory model by the CIA, must have the whole farm as far as Iran's secrets go.

Something tells me that's why Iran and the US are suddenly having "unusual, direct high-level discussions".
17 posted on 03/11/2007 10:21:40 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Valin

"...what I call the Ice Berg war..."

Let's not be going anit-semitic, now....


18 posted on 03/11/2007 10:48:48 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: MizSterious

I would love to know the whole truth about this. I hope someday we will.


19 posted on 03/11/2007 10:50:30 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: Dilbert56; MizSterious
This never occurred to me before now, but I wonder if those convoys could have been filled with non lethal items related to the Iraqi bio and nuclear programs that Saddam could not let fall into the wrong hands. Boxes of files, hard drives, test results, weapon design drawings, lab equipment, etc. that posed no threat in themselves unless coupled with the proper infrastructure.

By any measure it does not seem that Saddam had many tangible weapons of these types laying around. I don't know how big the convoys were but if they were full of ricin, anthrax and fissionable material where did it go? But I think it's dead certain that Saddam would have started up his programs after the heat died down, which of course it never did. Maybe a lot of resources necessary for that were in those trucks that slipped off to Syria.
20 posted on 03/11/2007 11:05:32 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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