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Venezuelans wary over Chavez reforms
The BBC ^ | Saturday, 10 March 2007, 11:29 GMT | By Justin Webb

Posted on 03/11/2007 8:25:58 AM PDT by alnitak

Jose Felix Ribas barrio
Many of the President's supporters live in Jose Felix Ribas barrio

As US President George Bush tours South America, his ideological enemy, Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, is facing growing nervousness at home over his economic strategy.

I am sitting in a car in a petrol station on the outskirts of Caracas watching evidence of the pleasures and the pitfalls of being a wealthy Venezuelan.

The upside: petrol here is cheaper than the most basic bottled water. In this oil-rich nation car drivers get a pretty good deal.

The downside: sitting on a wall across from our car is a heavily armed guard - every petrol station in Caracas has one. This is an insecure society - a place where the traditional attitude to the poor has been to keep them at bay and to shoot at them if they try anything.

Minutes later we are on our way and Jose - my friend and guide for the evening - is shouting over the sound of the engine. Like all Venezuelans Jose talks without pause for breath, and drives almost entirely in second gear.

Callous attitude

We are careering under a bridge when he announces: "And some of the men - they had sex with the bodies of the dead women."

What an odd thing to say. Odd in any circumstances but particularly these. Jose and I are discussing the mudslide of 1999 which killed between 10,000 and 30,000 people in a slum not far from here.

To be fair Jose himself had brought it up. I had certainly forgotten all about it but there is a callousness here in the way the rich refer to the poor - almost as another species. To be pitied for sure, but to be treated warily.

Hugo Chavez - the barrel-chested former army officer whose revolution is now in its eighth year, is a champion of the poor. He treats them with avuncular concern and I am here to talk to his advisors about how their efforts are going.

I visit Temir Porras, a senior adviser, in a government building in the centre of town. He is a charming man of 32 - multi-lingual and cosmopolitan.

He is sitting in a white room with no windows, a rickety desk and a computer, organising the revolution's first management school.

With disarming frankness he explains that when you are taking over large swathes of private industry and running it from here it is quite important to have people who know what they are doing.

Economic strain

After our interview he escorts us back to the lifts and explains that the button gave up working ages ago.

"It is like getting a bus," he says cheerfully. "You just have to wait for one to come."

It is all great fun and at the same time - to me - rather depressing.

Ana Uzcategui
Subsidised shopping has won support from the poor

Governments are capable of mending lifts - though in the Venezuelan case, not doing it very quickly, but are they capable of running economies? Already there are signs of strain.

With much of the government's oil money being spent rather than invested, inflation is running at over 20% and getting worse.

Efforts to reduce it - government price controls - are encouraging shortages of basic goods like meat and chicken as shopkeepers try to sell them for higher prices on the black market, claiming it is the only way they can make a living. Mr Chavez calls them capitalists and talks of prison.

You know where this can end, particularly if you are old enough to remember eastern European communism. It ends in repression.

And I met plenty of people who are worried - and worried enough not to want their names widely reported.

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez
Mr Chavez has threatened to seize food shops

But Hugo Chavez has - so far - sent very few people to jail for political crimes. Venezuelans still speak their minds.

"Chavez is a son of a bitch," a former politician tells us loudly in a crowded restaurant - and then he adds almost wistfully, "but he's not done anything to me."

And a genuine Latin American plutocrat - the kind of portly man who wears bright yellow corduroy trousers and almost gets away with it - told me he had met Chavez face to face and told him: "Your friend, Fidel Castro, is a killer. You are not."

Chavez, he said, did not reply. The plutocrat was comforted by that silence - though I think he has several passports just in case.

The journey from Caracas to the airport is comically slow. One day there will be a six-lane motorway but a bridge in the middle has yet to be completed so after a few minutes of speed we take a detour down a ditch into the middle of a slum.

There is just about room for a lane of traffic in each direction and on either side little brick shacks with corrugated iron roofs cling to the tiny space between the road and the mountain.

There is no glass in the windows - you see through bars straight into single rooms divided by bits of cloth hanging from the ceiling.

Where I live in Washington, dogs have more privacy. As we crawled along at walking pace two little girls - they must have been about eight or nine - darted out of a bus in front of us and in through a door. They were wearing school uniform.

Before Hugo Chavez that sight would never have been seen here. I find myself torn by Venezuela - its economic experiment seems to me utterly doomed, and yet at the same time, wonderfully noble.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: chavez; communism; latinamerica; venezuela
Before Hugo Chavez that sight would never have been seen here. I find myself torn by Venezuela - its economic experiment seems to me utterly doomed, and yet at the same time, wonderfully noble.

By Justin Webb's standards this is actually quite a balanced article. However, his closing paragraph perfectly illustrates the liberal mind-set "it doesn't matter if we completely f*** things up, we MEANT well! bwahhhhh"

1 posted on 03/11/2007 8:26:01 AM PDT by alnitak
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To: alnitak
Yep. It may not work, but we "feel good" doing it.
2 posted on 03/11/2007 8:32:18 AM PDT by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: alnitak

Why it sounds just like a utopian paradise! /SARC


3 posted on 03/11/2007 8:33:10 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: alnitak

Yes it does perfectly illustrate the liberal mind. The elevators don't work, buses don't run on schedule, chicken and meat are scarce, but it's oh so noble and exciting that everything is FUBAR.

Liberals seem to be happiest when chaos and repression reign.


4 posted on 03/11/2007 8:35:11 AM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: alnitak

The road to hell, is paved with
DemoSocialist intentions.


5 posted on 03/11/2007 8:36:20 AM PDT by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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To: alnitak
Socialism is evil. Period. Societies have to ask themselves the hard questions, like "Why are there poor in the 21st century?". I don't have the answer, but it is certainly a complex one, and you don't solve the problem by forcefully taking from others. Poverty has many origins, but certainly there are many, many more impoverished people in socialist countries than there are in capitalist countries.
China's standard of living has increased markedly since they let capitalism into their marketplace. People want and need to differentiate themselves, and to challenge themselves. Take away that and you have the failure of society like in the Soviet Union where productivity was deplorable and alcoholism (e.g. escapism) was ubiquitous.
6 posted on 03/11/2007 8:37:12 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

"Poverty has many origins, but certainly there are many, many more impoverished people in socialist countries than there are in capitalist countries."

Poor in America means you don't have cable tv.


7 posted on 03/11/2007 8:46:36 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: alnitak

Welcome to the SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF VENEZUELA. Let's all sit back and watch, what history has proven to fail, fail again.

Are you watching Hillary??


8 posted on 03/11/2007 8:52:52 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: alnitak

Only a fool or a committed jackass could believe a country drifting toward dictatorship under the reign of a pompous egomaniac is something "wonderfully noble".


9 posted on 03/11/2007 8:53:34 AM PDT by mort56
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To: alnitak
"Your friend, Fidel Castro, is a killer. You are not."

Give it time, dude.

10 posted on 03/11/2007 9:01:21 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: alnitak

Are you telling me that the Venezuelans don't think Chavez is the economic and social genius that he claims to be?


11 posted on 03/11/2007 9:03:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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