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Bones Found Near Indian Beach (Sarasota, Fl)
Herald Tribune ^ | 3-10-2007 | Latisha R Gray

Posted on 03/10/2007 3:27:25 PM PST by blam

Bones found near Indian Beach

Builders unearth remains, but excavation of site is unlikely

By LATISHA R. GRAY
3-10-2007

latisha.gray@heraldtribune.com

STAFF PHOTO / DAN WAGNER

Construction was halted on this waterfront property in Sarasota after human remains were found.

SARASOTA -- The remains of what appears to be an American Indian have at least one local archeologist both excited and dismayed.

Palmetto archaeologist Bill Burger said the rib, femur and vertebrae unearthed this month by construction workers building a luxury home along the bayfront could offer clues of a tribe from long gone. But it is impossible to determine just what else is down there without doing more digging, he said, which state officials say is probably not going to happen.

"You don't know without looking," Burger said. "The rest of the skeleton could be down there and they just got part of it. But you don't know until you excavate."

Burger said the femur could give clues to the person's sex, and the bones could be tested to learn more about diet and health.

State archaeologists say the find is not a big deal, but they have kept the address a secret out of fear that grave robbers will flock to the area.

The bones were found in the Indian Beach area. Construction workers were digging near the back of where the home will be built at the time. They stopped working and called the police. The medical examiner determined that the remains were not part of a crime and turned the issue over to the state.

"It was pretty much a surprise," said Steve Murray, whose company is building the home. "We knew there were historical sites in the area. We knew because of the vicinity. Shell middens doesn't mean bodies, and we were shocked."

Shell middens are large mounds of shells, food remains and everyday material left behind by Native Americans. The mounds are generally covered by grass and dirt. They can be as large as a football field, and were sometimes used to bury people.

A state archaeologist said the recent find was an isolated event and that it is unlikely there are any other remains at the construction site. The state is in the process of determining if the remains will be reburied on the property, and have contacted the Seminole Tribes of Florida and the Miccosukee Tribe of Indians of Florida for suggestions.

"It's an ordinary event," said David Dickel, Conservation and Collections supervisor for the state. "The public conception is that it is exciting, that every archaeologist will come flocking down to Sarasota and write a paper about it. The fact is, it's a really ordinary event, and it's handled calmly and routinely."

Dickel said it's common to find remains, but rare to find any with scientific or historical value, particularly those found by accident. The state probably will not do any testing on the remains found at the construction site because the sample is not big enough, he said.

He said the state's main concern is making sure the remains are handled properly and with respect.

Murray said he wants to return the remains to where he found them, and his customer is fully aware of his intentions. He said the discovery pushed back the completion date by a couple of weeks.

City officials would not say where the bones are being kept, but said they will remain in a safe place until they are turned over to the state. City spokeswoman Jan Thornburg said if more remains are found, construction will stop again and the process will start over.

"Human remains can tell us a lot about past human beings," Burger said. "If the remains are properly excavated and studied, we can learn a lot about a person, how they lived and how they interacted with their environment. I'm not one of the politically correct people, because I think scientists have rights, too."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beach; bones; godsgravesglyphs; indians; sarasota

1 posted on 03/10/2007 3:27:28 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping. (Slim Pickings)


2 posted on 03/10/2007 3:29:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)
3 posted on 03/10/2007 3:30:40 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

What is "BP skeletal material"?


4 posted on 03/10/2007 3:35:26 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"What is "BP skeletal material"?"

Before Present. (4,000BC, lol)

5 posted on 03/10/2007 3:48:12 PM PST by blam
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

another way to not say God or Jesus, as in AD or BC


6 posted on 03/10/2007 4:09:41 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: blam

How do they know it is an Indian and not Jimmy Hoffa?


7 posted on 03/10/2007 4:10:18 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RaceBannon; Coyoteman
"How do they know it is an Indian and not Jimmy Hoffa?"

I expect ageing of the bones can be recognized by an experienced archaeologist.

8 posted on 03/10/2007 4:24:19 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I remember the Windover discovery back in the 80's. The skulls still had the brains in them and they called in a county forensic pathologist. Turns out the bodies were submerged in a peat bog between 4 and 6 thousand years ago and the acidic content slowed down decomposition, similiar to pickling.
It was treated as a murder scene for a while though.


9 posted on 03/10/2007 4:35:34 PM PST by BerryDingle
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To: blam

Jimmy Hoffa was old, man....


10 posted on 03/10/2007 4:40:06 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: blam
The bones were found in the Indian Beach area.

Whoa! They haven't renamed that beach yet?

The medical examiner determined that the remains were not part of a crime and turned the issue over to the state.

I say it probably was a crime, but the statute of limitations probably ran out back when you COULD study Indian remains without getting into trouble -- maybe during the Medieval Warm Period.

11 posted on 03/10/2007 4:43:13 PM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: BerryDingle
"I remember the Windover discovery back in the 80's."

It's covered in the link provided in post #3.

12 posted on 03/10/2007 5:20:23 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"How do they know it is an Indian and not Jimmy Hoffa?"

I expect ageing of the bones can be recognized by an experienced archaeologist.

Telling how old a skeleton is can be difficult. Burials tend to be intrusive, cutting down into older layers. Radiocarbon dating or artifact associations are good ways of telling what their age is.

You could tell Indian remains from Jimmy Hoffa's remains easily by checking the tooth wear and shape (and checking for fillings), as well as cranial and nasal shape, etc.

13 posted on 03/10/2007 7:04:35 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam. "Slim pickings"... looks like others have picked up our slack, lucky for us, and I've just had to ping where needed. There's even a topic on a burglar with Maori sickness (?!?) to which someone has added the keyword. Such a weird thing happens about once a week.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
-- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
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14 posted on 03/10/2007 10:11:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Coyoteman
You could tell Indian remains from Jimmy Hoffa's remains easily by checking the tooth wear and shape (and checking for fillings), as well as cranial and nasal shape, etc.
...and perhaps a bullet hole, or the garrotte wire...
15 posted on 03/10/2007 10:12:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Myth of the Hunter-Gatherer [Watson Brake, Louisiana]
Archaeology | September/October 1999 Volume 52 Number 5 | Kenneth M. Ames
Posted on 08/13/2004 3:07:48 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1190694/posts


16 posted on 03/10/2007 10:20:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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