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What is the most convoluted, opaque, impenetrable book you ever read?
Blind Eye Jones

Posted on 03/09/2007 11:22:35 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones

What is the most convoluted, opaque, impenetrable book you ever read?


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To: Blind Eye Jones
The instruction manual of my new Samsung TV.

Any techno instruction manual.
321 posted on 03/10/2007 8:50:05 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Blind Eye Jones

After reading through all of these responses, I have to yell "Uncle!" and accept that y'all are more tenacious than I.

When I start 'em, and the reward doesn't seem to be worth the output, I stop.

And I don't usually pick 'em up again unless I have to.


322 posted on 03/10/2007 8:50:06 AM PST by bannie
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Academia colonizes books in the same way that Puritans, cavaliers, voyageurs, and conquistadors explored and settled the New World. If you or I had to figure out Ulysses or Finnegans Wake, The Sound and the Fury or As I Lay Dying, on our own, most of us would throw them in disgust. But we've got someone prereading, predigesting, and repackaging them into comprehensible units (well, maybe not Finnegans Wake, which isn't taught that often).

But "opaque" and "impenetrable" are good words. "Frustrating" would be another. I tried to read Joyce's A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, when I was young myself. I got what was going on, but at that time, I didn't see the point of it all. Today, I see what Joyce was after, but the it doesn't seem worthwhile to reread the book. Ditto for Proust. He's not that unclear, it's just that his method of approaching his story can be maddening.

More recently, I tried to read Toni Morrison: Beloved, among others. I had trouble figuring out what was going on, and why it was supposed to matter. Ditto for Arundhati Roy's The God of Small Things. And Virginia Woolf's The Years. Woolf's vision of what a novel could be has some value, but she doesn't really live up to her ideal. Her real talent was as an essayist.

Once you've left school behind for some years the whole Joyce-Faulkner project of writing books that are only accessible with expert decryption comes to look questionable, if not misguided. It might have worked for Joyce himself, but three generations on the game starts to lose its excitement.

323 posted on 03/10/2007 8:50:12 AM PST by x
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To: Ben Chad

Yes, Quality; I too, took that to be the point.

I really liked the two types of mechanics; one so neat and ordered, the other so sloppy, intuitive and quick.

The first one's behavior defined quality as a concept; the second had only a passing use for it as it served him.


324 posted on 03/10/2007 8:52:43 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: JB in Whitefish

No more cheese for you; and put down that wine glass, too.


325 posted on 03/10/2007 8:53:52 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: wildbill
"But when I go to a book fair and see a copy of Silas Marner, I just flip out. I buy it and tear it to pieces in front of the seller, muttering things like, "You're never gonna prevent some kid from enjoying reading books."

You [also] have added considerably to the quality of my weekend.

326 posted on 03/10/2007 8:56:27 AM PST by norton
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To: ReignOfError
The "Brothers K" is very ponderous; but the section on The Grand Inquisitor is probably the most brilliant exegesis on power, God, and human nature that I have ever read. It is well worth the effort.
327 posted on 03/10/2007 8:58:01 AM PST by JGT
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To: thile44
Even the writers don't understand it.

After working at the IRS, I discovered this to be true. Most people there are BSing what they think it is.

I just want to lock Congress in a room and make them read it and then do their own taxes with nothing more than a pencil.

328 posted on 03/10/2007 8:58:10 AM PST by Victoria_R (They'll never finish....)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

I was given a copy of Naked Lunch for free once. I tried to start reading it about 15 times (on different occasions) on the bus from Tel Avivi to Jerusalem. Couldn't do it.


329 posted on 03/10/2007 8:59:07 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: Lancey Howard
Let me add "The Crying of Lot ...whatever" by Pynchon.
I read it, but I just never could figure out what it was about. Also "Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance" just made me shake my head and ask "why would anyone write something this dense and silly?" I forced myself to finish it.
330 posted on 03/10/2007 9:01:20 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: pablo H
1. Anything by Saul Bellow - A cure for insomnia

Well, he does tend to go on for too long. He's another novelist whose real talent is for the essay or the sermon. But it was good to find a writer who wrote about the America that we (more or less) live in, and did so without scorn or abuse. That goes pretty far in making up whatever faults Bellow has.

331 posted on 03/10/2007 9:02:15 AM PST by x
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Sorry just can't stop adding things...
The EU constituion.
332 posted on 03/10/2007 9:04:16 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: Fellow Traveler
"Somebody mentioned "Catch-22", I loved that book in high school. I must have read it 4 or 5 times. Each time you read it something else pops out at you. I think the problem people have is the whole book is a series of events that happen out of order, kind of like the movie "Pulp Fiction"

It really helps to have been in the service;
In my brief seven years I met a real life version of every character in the book and Catch 22 itself.
If I could spell I might have tried to pen a sequel.

333 posted on 03/10/2007 9:09:39 AM PST by norton
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Wieland; or, the Transformation.


334 posted on 03/10/2007 9:13:54 AM PST by Bouchart
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To: Allegra; Kevmo

Christ's Revelation to John is understandable through faith in Christ.

Without faith in Him, the understanding isn't made available by God the Holy Spirit. Without the ministry of God the Holy Spirit, the book isn't as easily understood because it communicates many spiritual things beyond the perception of the senses or the mind. Faith is a system of perception which is preceded by acceptance of God. He does all the work in His grace.


335 posted on 03/10/2007 9:19:27 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Gravity's Rainbow took a while to read. (Thomas Pynchon)


336 posted on 03/10/2007 9:20:46 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: restornu

Independent concurrent testimony. Must have some substance, eh?


337 posted on 03/10/2007 9:22:39 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: x

"Well, he does tend to go on for too long. He's another novelist whose real talent is for the essay or the sermon. But it was good to find a writer who wrote about the America that we (more or less) live in, and did so without scorn or abuse. That goes pretty far in making up whatever faults Bellow has."

You're right, I should have said "any Novel by Bellow". I've read some of his essays/nonfiction and it was pretty good.





338 posted on 03/10/2007 9:22:59 AM PST by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

The Report on Iraq.


339 posted on 03/10/2007 9:23:21 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Some people write as Picasso painted.. "for idiots"..


340 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:00 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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