Posted on 03/09/2007 6:44:43 PM PST by LdSentinal
I also tend to be a "big tent" ideology subscriber. There's a lot of stuff I don't like in Rudy's record but my core issues are met. So to each his own. I'll pull the "R" lever either way on election day.
***I'm a socon. Rudy isn't. I'm supporting a socon on this socon forum. If you show me where I signed up here that this is a GOP forum, then I'll gladly commit to tripping the "r" lever on that day; but this ain't a GOP forum, it's a socon forum and the rudophiles are pushing a solib onto socons and they're getting predictable blowback, especially by folks who have a socon candidate. With Duncan, my core issues are met. With Rudy, they aren't. It will only be me in that voting booth on that day. But if it's Rudy in the 'r' column, the GOP is risking much more than just losing a couple of diehard rightwing crazies. There are millions who would be disenfranchised. It will not be healthy for the republican party.
My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he loses the base and the election.
Your contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.
Hypothetical to answer your hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Vote for who you like. I am not trying to change your mind. This site, despite of its charter, has supported diverse views for a long time.
LBT
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Not the actions of a potential rival.
***More like the actions of a vice presidential guy. And he freezes the socon right by staying out of the race for pres. Giuliani/Gingrich, the G/G ticket, with hillary running against both of their ugly marriages on a stand-by-your-man kitsch. This is one weird race this year.
Globalists talk about "free trade" as if it occurs.
Republicans talk about free trade as though the constitution is eqivalent to a customer agreement for Costco.
Thanks, man.
And juxtaposition rudy's statements:
Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?
Culture of life transcript:
ABC clip.
George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."
Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:
Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."
Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."
This might have something to do with it
Quinnipiac University Poll. Feb. 13-19, 2007. N=578 Republican voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.1.
http://race42008.com/category/duncan-hunter/
If the 2008 Republican primary for president were being held today, and the candidates were [see below], for whom would you vote?
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%
Rudy Giuliani 40
John McCain 18
Newt Gingrich 10
Mitt Romney 7
Duncan Hunter 2
Mike Huckabee 2
Sam Brownback 1
George Pataki 1
Ron Paul 1
Tom Tancredo 1
Tommy Thompson 1
Jim Gilmore -
Chuck Hagel -
Other (vol.) 1
Unsure 15
Sorry, all, I ignore nopardons and she claims to ignore me.
Don't be so sure:
Jesus was ratted out by his financial advisor who later died a mysterious death - suicide.
He was betrayed by his closest followers.
And he was rejected by the masses and executed for being who he claimed to be.
If he suddenly descended, politics would suddenly become less important.
I hope he can buck up under such news.
I dunno. Those guys who hung out with didn't wash their hands before they ate.
Just sayin'.
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And you are supposedly the one to give us an expert opinion on that? You said that he's too cozy with the unions, which means that Duncan attracts crossover votes. Your blind hatred of unionism blinds you to the fact that their members often vote for solid socon candidates, especially ones that seem to be labelled "protectionist". He also attracts a large undertow of anti-illegal immigrant voters that doesn't show up in the polls, such as what happened with prop 187 in liberal California (supposed to lose big, won big). Or Bill Sali, same thing.
Delphinium has a great example of how these kinds of polls and MSM trashing of socon candidates mean absolutely nothing when the time comes to push the lever. If anything, the negative media attention serves our purposes better when we have a good socon candidate. The media would turn on Rudy so fast it would make a galaxy spin.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787224/posts?page=464#305
Bill Sali won and he was very unashamedly pro-life, less government, less spending, no on taxes, free interprise , no homosexual marriage etc.. and support for the Iraq war securing our borders...all of Jims suggestions.
The media trashed him, the Rinos trashed him even in the general, The polls that the media reported had him so low it looked impossible.
He won big! They were reporting total lying polls to affect the election.
The word 'RINO' is a derogatory term used to demean republicans who do not toe the conservative line. It is vague and imprecise in its exact meaning.
bump for ... uh... developing item.
As succint an assessment as I've seen.
Thank you.
Really? Wow, he's better than I thought! ;-)
There is an new rule for Free Republic.. Thou shall not question Duncan Hunter...
***Sounds like a good rule to me. Let's put it to a vote, shall we? I wonder what JimRob would think it? ;-)
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