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Lead bullet ban awaits panel (CA)
Monterey County Herald ^ | Mar. 07, 2007 | KEVIN HOWE

Posted on 03/09/2007 2:38:35 PM PST by neverdem

Fish and Game Commission considering four possible courses of action

A possible ban on lead bullets for hunting will be on the state Fish and Game Commission agenda when it meets next month in Bodega Bay.

The commission voted unanimously at its Feb. 2 meeting in Monterey to serve notice of its intent to amend hunting regulations for 2007-2010 with an aim of eliminating lead bullets in the California condor range.

It did not take action on the issue at Friday's commission meeting in Arcata, postponing action on the lead bullet ban to its April 13 meeting in Bodega Bay.

Commission president Robert Hattoy, 56, a strong supporter of the lead bullet ban, died Sunday at University of California-Davis Medical Center of complications related to AIDS. He was not present at the meeting Friday.

Hattoy and commissioner Richard Rogers both argued at the Monterey meeting that lead bullet fragments in game meat pose a threat not only to the condors but to the health of hunters and their families that consume them.

The commission is considering four action alternatives related to lead-containing bullets: take no action, ban the ammunition in specific deer-hunting areas, ban it statewide, or offer hunters incentives to voluntarily use nonleaded ammunition while hunting deer, elk, wild pigs and other large animals.

The specific hunting areas proposed include most of those west of the Sierra Nevada -- areas A, D9, D10 and D11 on Fish and Game maps.

Those are areas in which boundaries are already well known to deer hunters, according to Eric Loft, chief wildlife biologist for the Department of Fish and Game. Bullet restrictions within them would apply to all big-game hunting.

Last month, Tejon Ranch Corp. announced that nonlead ammunition will be required for all hunting and predator control on the 270,000-acre Southern California ranch starting this fall to protect condors that forage there.

Last November, a consortium of environmental activists, including the Wishtoyo Foundation, Physicians for Social Responsibility, the Center for Biological Diversity and the Natural Resources Defense Council, filed suit in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles seeking a ban on the use of lead bullets by hunters in the state's condor ranges.

The plaintiffs cited studies showing that lead from bullets left in carcasses or gut piles from game animals is a major source of lead poisoning in the rare and endangered condors.

The assertion that lead bullets and fragments in carcasses eaten by condors are a major source of lead poisoning for the endangered birds was confirmed in August by scientists at UC-Santa Cruz. They published a study online in the journal Environmental Science & Technology that examined and analyzed lead from rifle bullets and shotgun pellets.

The UC-Santa Cruz researchers used a "fingerprinting" technique based on the unique isotope ratios found in different sources of lead. The technique enabled them to match the lead in blood samples from condors to the lead in ammunition.

The ban would extend to bullets from centerfire ammunition, muzzleloading balls, shotgun slugs and buckshot used for taking both game and non-game animals. Rimfire .22 caliber ammunition is not included in the proposed ban.

The California condor was declared endangered by the federal government in 1967 and by the state in 1971. In 1987, the last 22 wild condors were trapped and taken to zoos for a captive breeding program that has raised the condor population to just less than 300.

The commission will convene at 8:30 a.m. April 13 in the Bodega Bay Marine Laboratory Lecture Hall, 2099 Westside Road, Bodega Bay.

Kevin Howe can be reached at 646-4416 or khowe@montereyherald.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; condors; leadbullets
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1 posted on 03/09/2007 2:38:36 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
It did not take action on the issue at Friday's commission meeting in Arcata, postponing action on the lead bullet ban to its April 13 meeting in Bodega Bay.

Paging "The Birds"

2 posted on 03/09/2007 2:40:19 PM PST by aomagrat (Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: neverdem
Lead could easily be replaced with better materials. A plus for the hunter and the condor... and the nuclear industry.

Depleted fuel has better ballistic characteristics and small shrapnel can be easily located with a meter.

3 posted on 03/09/2007 2:49:46 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: neverdem
So the state (CA) wants to ban a soft dense metal for bullets; meanwhile, the feds (ATF) are banning pistol bullets that are classed as "armor piercing" meaning anything harder than copper.

How long until both sets of rules effectively outlaw ammunition sales in Californistan?

4 posted on 03/09/2007 2:53:38 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: everyone

"Ban" is just about the liberals' favorite word.

When it comes to abortion and porn, though, anything goes.
Oh, and flag-burning too.


5 posted on 03/09/2007 2:55:51 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: neverdem
"Commission president Robert Hattoy, 56, a strong supporter of the lead bullet ban, died Sunday at University of California-Davis Medical Center of complications related to AIDS. He was not present at the meeting Friday."

Is it just me, or wouldn't most everyone think it would be odd to take him to the meeting if he was dead?
6 posted on 03/09/2007 2:57:07 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Centurion2000

I cant imagine that it is centerfire bullets causing the problem - it is probably shot form shotguns which has been outlawed some time for migratory birds I believe.

Its very unlikely that a bullet would remain in a carcass and then be consumed.


7 posted on 03/09/2007 2:59:28 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Centurion2000
And yet nowhere in the article does it mention exactly how many of the 22 condors have been poisoned by the lead bullets. Shouldn't be a mammoth task, given the small number. I call BS on the so-called problem.
8 posted on 03/09/2007 2:59:33 PM PST by Covenantor
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To: Centurion2000
How long until both sets of rules effectively outlaw ammunition sales in Californistan?

It's real easy to find better places to live. Realtor.com and some careful research made relocating to Pocatello, ID pretty easy. Houses are moving quite as quickly right now, so you'll have time to plan carefully.

9 posted on 03/09/2007 3:00:40 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Beagle8U
Is it just me, or wouldn't most everyone think it would be odd to take him to the meeting if he was dead?

Odd?

Why do you think that?

He's still voting, isn't he?

10 posted on 03/09/2007 3:01:19 PM PST by Covenantor
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To: neverdem
If there are no exemptions for government employees using lead bullets, then I have no problems with this.

However, we all know that citizens will be prohibited from using these bullets, but anyone in the government can use them.

11 posted on 03/09/2007 3:02:15 PM PST by Hunble (Why?)
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
Paging "The Birds"

You rang?

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Medical 'dirty secret' out in open

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

12 posted on 03/09/2007 3:03:49 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Is this what Jocelyn Elders meant by "Safer Bullets?"


13 posted on 03/09/2007 3:04:12 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: neverdem

Banning lead ammunition is simply an attack on cheap ammo and
do it yourselfers, (Bullet casters).


14 posted on 03/09/2007 3:08:52 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Beagle8U
Is it just me, or wouldn't most everyone think it would be odd to take him to the meeting if he was dead?

I had a similar thought. I think they were discussing last Friday, Feb. 2, but the guy was too sick.

15 posted on 03/09/2007 3:12:30 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"......an attack on cheap ammo and
do it yourselfers...."

Excellent point.

Folks that reload are going to hate this.


16 posted on 03/09/2007 4:21:02 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Covenantor
"We sampled the ammunition that these birds are most likely to encounter in the remains of hunted game, and we found that lead from those sources can account for the lead in the blood of 77 percent of the birds tested," said Church, who undertook the study after spending a summer monitoring condors as a volunteer with the Ventana Wildlife Society.

If the study is accurate, 77% of the Condors tested had lead poisoning from ammunition sources. I sure hope they aren't contemplating a statewide ban.

17 posted on 03/09/2007 4:21:05 PM PST by amchugh
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To: neverdem

I hear that bullets cause global warming.

And obesity.


18 posted on 03/09/2007 4:24:10 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: neverdem

A CONDOR is a VULTURE, nothing more, nothing less. And ENDANGERED is not the correct word, try OBSOLETE.


19 posted on 03/09/2007 4:30:07 PM PST by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Gator113
They want a Statewide ban so you couldn't even use lead bullets for target practice. They want tungsten bullets which will be much more expensive. I resent that they require this of the Army which the taxpayer has to pay for.

The condor is just a big damn buzzard that some gun grabber may care about, but more likely is just using that as a pretext to harrass gun owners.

20 posted on 03/09/2007 4:30:46 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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