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New Cultural Subspecies in Britain
abcnews.go.com ^ | March 7, 2007 | Laura Westmacott

Posted on 03/08/2007 5:42:43 AM PST by siunevada

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The beauties of cradle to grave public assistance, "*****innit".
1 posted on 03/08/2007 5:42:44 AM PST by siunevada
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To: siunevada

Socialism has worked hard to eliminate the hardship that breeds character.


2 posted on 03/08/2007 5:48:47 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: siunevada

"The chav mob indulge in many unaesthetic choices like outrageously obvious fake orange tans and bad make-up."

Must be the Brit version of "The Gottis."


3 posted on 03/08/2007 5:51:09 AM PST by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: MadIvan

Chavs?

I'd just figured out toffs.


4 posted on 03/08/2007 5:54:33 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: atomicpossum

What it really does is destroy the work ethic. Work is not hardship. It's good for the soul and for the community.


5 posted on 03/08/2007 5:54:40 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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America has the beer-swilling, foul-mouthed hillbilly who lives in a trailer park...

The chav lives in public housing called a "council estate," drives a big-bucks hot rod, wears more gold than Mr. T...

Another example of political correctness running rampant through the mainstream media. When I think of a group in America that is foul-mouthed, abuses malt beverages, lives in public housing, is car poor and hangs gold from every body part possible, hillbilly is not what comes to mind.

6 posted on 03/08/2007 5:56:00 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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What it really does is destroy the work ethic. Work is not hardship. It's good for the soul and for the community.

The hardship is the lack of wealth, the cure for which is work, which, in turn, breeds character through persistance and achievement. Socialism doles out the wealth with no demand for work, and the immediate gratification simply breeds expectation of more from the same source.

7 posted on 03/08/2007 5:58:37 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: atomicpossum

Agree wholeheartedly. But these kids are not lacking in material items, evidently.


8 posted on 03/08/2007 6:02:30 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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I had to do a little research on this. Chav comes from Latin (Chavi) for child. Also, the Chav subculture is considered an aspect of Marx's Lumpenproletariat. From wikipedia:

In Marx's The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), the term refers to the 'refuse of all classes,' including 'swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers, rag-and-bone merchants, organ-grinders, beggars, and other flotsam of society.'

In the Eighteenth Brumaire, Marx and Engels describe the lumpenproletariat as a 'class fraction' that constituted the political power base for Louis Bonaparte of France in 1848. In this sense, Marx argued that in the particular historical events leading up to Louis Bonaparte's coup in late 1851, the proletariat and bourgeoisie were productive and progressive, advancing the historical process by developing society's labor power and its capabilities, whereas the 'lumpenproletariat' was unproductive and regressive.

Note here that from the viewpoint of Marx, the productive classes (proletariat and bourgeosie) move history forward and slowly bring us toward a future of Communism. They are, in Marx's view, a necessary and useful social force.

But the Lumpenproletariat is a reactionary force. They are not productive. They do not help society progress but instead work to block progress.

And the irony is: modern society has subcultures like Chavs mostly because of the imposition of Marxian socialism. Socialism allows the class of unproductive workers to grow and grow and grow. This helps spread misery (which Marx approved of) but does not help society progress.

You want progress? Try capitalism.

9 posted on 03/08/2007 6:02:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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Must be the Brit version of "The Gottis."

LOL!

The mangled language also marks their similarity.

10 posted on 03/08/2007 6:02:54 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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...wears more gold than Mr. T...


NOBODY has more gold than T, fool!

11 posted on 03/08/2007 6:05:23 AM PST by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warming hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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I had to do a little research on this. Chav comes from Latin (Chavi) for child.

Thanks! I wondered about that.

12 posted on 03/08/2007 6:05:49 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: sageb1
Agree wholeheartedly. But these kids are not lacking in material items, evidently.

Yes, because British socialism hands them the house, the jobs, the medicine, and the monthly dole. They've got it, but they didn't earn it, so they didn't learn anything along the way.

13 posted on 03/08/2007 6:08:27 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: atomicpossum

True.


14 posted on 03/08/2007 6:09:13 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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and wears a wife beater and overalls....

Can someone explain what they mean by "wears a wife beater"?

15 posted on 03/08/2007 6:18:12 AM PST by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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"What it really does is destroy the work ethic. Work is not hardship. It's good for the soul and for the community."

Indeed. It's hard to believe this is happening in the same country that less than 150 years ago inspired Ford Maddox Brown's "Work."


16 posted on 03/08/2007 6:19:19 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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"Two London schoolboys, Dilir Habibi and Ali Hussaini, ...described the archetypal chav..."

Liberal media hypocrisy on parade again! As long as bigoted stereotypes are applied to whites and those applying them are nonwhites, then it's "fit to print."

17 posted on 03/08/2007 6:21:57 AM PST by drpix
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Man in wife-beater...


18 posted on 03/08/2007 6:28:21 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: siunevada
Britain has the "chav." The chav lives in public housing called a "council estate," drives a big-bucks hot rod, wears more gold than Mr. T and is a foot soldier of corporate consumerism.

Chavs sound much like our urban ghetto thug types.

19 posted on 03/08/2007 6:29:14 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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I think of urban blacks, but with names like "Dilir Habibi and Ali Hussaini," I bet its mostly the Muslim immigrants in Britain...


20 posted on 03/08/2007 6:30:23 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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