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New York Label May Not Fit All in Giuliani Run
NY Times ^ | March 8, 2007 | ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 03/07/2007 10:27:26 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, March 7 — When Republicans say they are skeptical that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, can survive their party’s presidential nominating process, they usually point to his record of support for abortion rights, gay rights and gun control.

But there may be a less obvious hurdle that Mr. Giuliani has to overcome: Whether he is too much of a New Yorker for the rest of the country.

Americans like New York City, as officials in both parties are quick to say. Most find it vibrant, entertaining and an object of sympathy and pride since the terrorist attacks five and a half years ago that made Mr. Giuliani the national contender he is today.

But the city, with all its tumult and rough edges, is not for everyone. And few people embody all the complicated facets of New York City as much as Mr. Giuliani.

He is swaggering, brash and opinionated and loves to stick his thumb in the eye of conventional political norms. Those traits won him some acclaim in New York, not to mention a lot of tabloid headlines. But he can also be temperamental, controlling, capricious, volatile and, in the words of Edward I. Koch, a former Democratic mayor who supported Mr. Giuliani in his successful bid for a second term, “mean-spirited.”

New Yorkers who elected him twice as their mayor tend to view what others might call rudeness as an endearing trait. But beyond conservative unease with his positions on social issues, two of the biggest questions about Mr. Giuliani’s presidential campaign are whether the same qualities that made him iconic in New York will play as well in the rest of the country, and whether voters elsewhere will exhibit the same tolerance as New Yorkers did toward the more colorful aspects...

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: giuliani; newyorkcity; republicanparty; rudolphwgiuliani
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To: Sun
"But most of us are conservatives on FR, and conservatives are smart and RIGHT."

As opposed to those flaming liberals at CPAC who gave Guliani most of their votes?

21 posted on 03/07/2007 10:57:29 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Prokopton

When has Hillary admitted she made mistakes in life?


22 posted on 03/07/2007 10:57:43 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: My2Cents
Who cares? He's now "America's Mayor," not "New York's Mayor."

I must have missed that election. When did the country vote?

Sorry, I forgot - only one of the most liberal cities in the country has ever elected Rudy to anything.
23 posted on 03/07/2007 10:58:56 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: CWOJackson
As opposed to those flaming liberals at CPAC who gave Guliani most of their votes?

What is it about you rabid Rudy supporters, you just can't get a grip on reality.

Romney won the CPAC straw poll with 21%. Rudy had 17%. Not "most of their votes" but 17%! I guess the other 87% just want Hillary to win.

24 posted on 03/07/2007 11:11:38 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
"What is it about you rabid Rudy supporters, you just can't get a grip on reality."

LOL! And why would you even presume I'm a Rudy supporter? I'm not. But I do find all this Rudy hysteria hilarious. Rabidly hilarious.

25 posted on 03/07/2007 11:13:07 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
LOL! And why would you even presume I'm a Rudy supporter?

It must have something to do with your posts including posting on at least two threads the false statement that Rudy got "most of the votes" at CPAC.

26 posted on 03/07/2007 11:20:41 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
Yes, that's been corrected. He only got the second most votes; behind Romney but ahead of Gingrich, Hunter, Tancredo, etc.

So Romney doesn't have to wonder how it feels coming in behind Guliani in a CPAC straw poll.

That must suck for Newt, Duncan and Tom when CPAC ranks you behind the super liberal Guliana.

27 posted on 03/07/2007 11:23:30 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Are you saying you don't understood that ::: swish ::: indicates making the basket, hitting the goal, getting the rim shot, scoring the point..?

Do you honestly think :::swish::: has something to do with calling you a faggot?

LOL. Riiight.


28 posted on 03/07/2007 11:23:37 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant
Oops!

I'm just a little confused lately...what with "true" conservatives posting more photos of Rudy Guliani in a dress these days then they do of Ann Coulter.

29 posted on 03/07/2007 11:25:30 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Of course! I enjoyed the points you were making, and understood them perfectly. ((Score!)) seemed more interesting than "lol".

Please continue.


30 posted on 03/07/2007 11:33:16 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: CWOJackson
That must suck for Newt, Duncan and Tom when CPAC ranks you behind the super liberal Guliana.

It must suck for Rudy when 83% vote for someone other than you. That 83% must want Hillary to win.

31 posted on 03/07/2007 11:35:24 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
"It must suck for Rudy when 83% vote for someone other than you."

LOL! I'm sure that makes Newt, Duncan and Tom feel much better.

32 posted on 03/07/2007 11:42:22 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: unsycophant
I'd love to hang around put tomorrow is another day in the real world. It's an interesting place the real world. Among other things, that's where elections are decided.

The wife and I are going to be active in the caucus process here in our new home...Mike Pence is now our Congressman. Fortunately that's still a long ways off so there's plenty of time to evaluate the candidates in a real way.

Looks like the primaries are next week here in FR land.

33 posted on 03/07/2007 11:47:22 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
"It must suck for Rudy when 83% vote for someone other than you."

LOL! I'm sure that makes Newt, Duncan and Tom feel much better.

I'm not sure about that, but it makes me feel much better.

34 posted on 03/07/2007 11:48:19 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: flashbunny
I must have missed that election. When did the country vote?

September, something... 2001. You might have missed it, that was a busy time.

Sorry, I forgot - only one of the most liberal cities in the country has ever elected Rudy to anything.

New York is too big and encompasses too much to be brushed off as "liberal". Eight million people live in the city and 17 million in the metro area; that's more than twenty times the number of people in South Dakota. And that's not to mention the millions of people from all over the world who come to visit and do business here every year.

After running all of that, turning it around after decades of decline, managing 9/11, and retiring with the honorary title of "America's Mayor", he's not qualified because you're afraid that he won't be tough enough on Abortion and Gays? Two issues that the president has little ability to effect?

Get down off of your high horse. I know a leader when I see one, and Rudy is it.

35 posted on 03/07/2007 11:55:20 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Sun

Thank you for posting that. I've seen it before, but it bears repeating.

Rudy is a LIBERAL/Socialist/Communist who is:

1) "strong" on the WOT
2) tax cutter

... that's it, right?


36 posted on 03/08/2007 12:09:35 AM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: Zeroisanumber

>Get down off of your high horse. I know a leader when I see
>one, and Rudy is it.

... but just *where* will Rudy lead us *to*?

Check this out ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/~flashbunny/

The man is a communist/socialist/gun grabbing/abortionist. Surely we can be *lead* in a better direction than this?


37 posted on 03/08/2007 12:15:53 AM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: Zeroisanumber

"New York is too big and encompasses too much to be brushed off as liberal."

Kerry won New York City by 73.82% to 22.76% for Bush.


38 posted on 03/08/2007 12:20:07 AM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Get down off of your high horse. I know a leader when I see one, and Rudy is it.

Oh yea! Well I know a LIBERAL when I see one and Rudy is one.

Let's see..a leader..a liberal..do you think he could beat Hillary for the nomination?

39 posted on 03/08/2007 12:22:25 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
do you think he could beat Hillary for the nomination?

Only if she's running.
40 posted on 03/08/2007 12:28:51 AM PST by presently no screen name
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