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Wikipedia to Seek Proof of Credentials
1010wins ^ | BRIAN BERGSTEIN

Posted on 03/07/2007 8:03:37 PM PST by Calpernia

Following revelations that a high-ranking member of Wikipedia's bureaucracy used his cloak of anonymity to lie about being a professor of religion, the free Internet encyclopedia plans to ask contributors who claim such credentials to identify themselves.

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales said in interviews by phone and instant message Wednesday from Japan that contributors still would be able to remain anonymous. But he said they should only be allowed to cite some professional expertise in a subject if those credentials have been verified.

"We always prefer to give a positive incentive rather than absolute prohibition, so that people can contribute without a lot of hassle," Wales wrote.

Wales suggested such a plan two years ago, but the idea suddenly gained currency after the recent discovery that a prolific Wikipedia contributor who wrote under the pen name "Essjay" and claimed to be a professor of theology turned out to be a 24-year-old college dropout, Ryan Jordan.

Jordan's fraud came to light last week when The New Yorker published an editor's note stating that a 2006 Wikipedia profile in the magazine had erroneously described Essjay's purported academic resume. The New Yorker said a Wikipedia higher-up had vouched for Essjay to the author of the piece, Stacy Schiff, but that neither knew Essjay's real identity.

In addition to contributing thousands of articles to the sprawling Web encyclopedia, Jordan had recently been promoted to arbitrator, a position for trusted members of the community. Arbitrators can overrule an edit made by another volunteer or block people who abuse the site.

Jordan also was hired in January by Wikia Inc., a for-profit venture run by Wales. He has since been dismissed.

Jordan has not returned an e-mail seeking comment from The Associated Press. But in a note on his Wikipedia "user page" before it was officially "retired," he apologized for any harm he caused Wikipedia.

"It was, quite honestly, my impression that it was well known that I was not who I claimed to be, and that in the absence of any confirmation, no respectible (sic) publication would print it," he wrote.

Wikipedia is full of anonymous contributors like Essjay, whose user page also once proclaimed: "My Wikipedia motto is `Lux et Veritas' (Light and Truth) and I believe more individuals should contribute with an intention to bring light to the community and truth to the encyclopedia."

The anonymity of the site is a frequent cause of mischief - from juvenile vandalism of entries to the infamous case involving journalist John Seigenthaler Sr., who was incorrectly described as a suspect in the Kennedy assassinations. And that has raised concerns about the credibility of the site.

But anonymity is also considered one of the main forces behind Wikipedia's astonishing growth, to nearly 1.7 million articles in English and millions more in dozens of other languages. Wales has said he is an "anti-credentialist" - because anonymity puts a reader's attention on the substance of what people have written rather than who they are.

Wales said Wednesday that belief is unchanged. But, he said, if people want to claim expertise on Wikipedia, they ought to be prompted to prove it. If they don't want to give their real names, they shouldn't be allowed to tout credentials. Had that policy been in place, Wales said, Jordan probably would not have gotten away with claiming a Ph.D. in religion.

"It's always inappropriate to try to win an argument by flashing your credentials," Wales said, "and even more so if those credentials are inaccurate."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: antichristian; essjay; experts; homosexualagenda; idverify; internet; liberalbigot; privacy; wikipedia; yellowjournalism
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1 posted on 03/07/2007 8:03:40 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: lqclamar

ping


2 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:08 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Oh dear. How will I ever prove to them that I really am Eleanor Roosevelt ?


5 posted on 03/07/2007 8:11:21 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The self appointed experts said so.


/sarc.

Well not really. But only self appointed experts will run the Net.


6 posted on 03/07/2007 8:14:46 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: festus

Let John Edwards channel you.


7 posted on 03/07/2007 8:15:14 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Darn it...My claim to being Henry the 8th (I am, I am)is being challenged.


8 posted on 03/07/2007 8:16:51 PM PST by Wheee The People
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To: Wheee The People
I, Calpernia, wife of Caesar, believes you!
9 posted on 03/07/2007 8:34:49 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: festus
Oh dear. How will I ever prove to them that I really am Eleanor Roosevelt ?

Next we're going to find out your name really isn't "Festus".

10 posted on 03/07/2007 8:44:06 PM PST by poindexter
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To: poindexter
Next we're going to find out your name really isn't "Festus".

Are you saying yours isn't "poindexter"?

11 posted on 03/07/2007 8:59:57 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Calpernia

There goes my last chance to describe my latest perpetual motion machine.


12 posted on 03/07/2007 9:13:13 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Calpernia

Uh, I meant my alternative fuel breakthrough.


13 posted on 03/07/2007 9:14:51 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Calpernia

BTTT


14 posted on 03/07/2007 9:20:53 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: festus
Oh dear. How will I ever prove to them that I really am Eleanor Roosevelt ?
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Fingerprints.
15 posted on 03/07/2007 10:20:25 PM PST by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Calpernia
It was Hillary Clinton who talked to Elanor Roosevelt's ghost. Johnboy Edwards channeled the voices of a dead child and Jesus.
16 posted on 03/07/2007 11:04:10 PM PST by weegee (Carbon credits are nothing but the Global Warming movement's way of selling indugences.)
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To: Calpernia
Yes, I understand this. On the whole it is a good idea.

I would hope, though, that I would not need to be a doctor to make minor correction on articles based on a small mountain of knowledge I've gleaned studying a very narrow and specific type of cancer that killed a relative. I found, for example, this particular type of cancer listed as a "rare" neuroendocrine tumor when in fact it is always neuroendocrine in origin and kills roughly 32,000 Americans per year.

17 posted on 03/08/2007 12:58:56 AM PST by Lexinom (Duncan Hunter - the electable answer for the WOT and border security. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Calpernia

I'm afraid that this latest scandal is eroding the whole Wikipedia ethos, and exposing the naivete that marked it from its beginning.

The idea was that some folks know a lot about a little bit of stuff, and other folks know a lot about a little bit of stuff, and between us all we know everything that is known. That allowing anyone to edit will make the system self-correcting. That there need be no hierarchy, no approval process, no one to enforce standards.

The naivete came in not recognizing that some folks will have political agendas, some will have personal gripes, some will be intent on fraud, and some are just nucking futs.

In the early days of the Web, there was a prevalent Rousseau vibe. As if all the corrupting influences on Man came from a corrupt system, and if we could just live outside anyone's law and make information free, as it wants to be, we could all share in a glorious info-utopia. This was not a left-wing vision. In those days, the dominant political philosophy was libertarian.

And then came the spammers and the scammers, phishers, neo-nazis, child pornographers, terrorists, frauds, cheats, sneaks, spies, liars and various other forms of predators. And we learned, as if we needed further proof, that making people anonymous and unrestrained reveals their true nature.

That nature is a lot closer to what Calvin and Hobbes (The theologian and the philosopher, not the comic-strip boy and his tiger) though it was than to what Rousseau thought it was. The evidence is manifest.


18 posted on 03/08/2007 1:27:05 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Lexinom
I would hope, though, that I would not need to be a doctor to make minor correction on articles based on a small mountain of knowledge I've gleaned studying a very narrow and specific type of cancer that killed a relative.

It sounds like your mindset is similar to mine. When faced with doubt, fear and uncertainty, I hit the 'Net and then hit the books. Because more knowledge is always better than less, and however much I trust the doctors, I want to have a well-formed and well-informed position before I ask for an opinion. That way, I'm in a better position to decide whether I need a second opinion.

My mom died from a subarachnoid aneurysm in 2001, at age 52. She went into a coma after the first bleed, and died after the second, weeks later. Should I be allowed to edit an article on the topic? I did my homework. I know more about the condition than the average layman, and maybe even more than the average GP. Not even close to knowing more than any marginally competent neurosurgeon.

Those are tough decisions. They require someone in charge. They require, in a word, editors. And that's where I think Wikipedia is naive. In the era of easy information, sources are important. And "some dude named FrodoR00lz" is not a credible source.

19 posted on 03/08/2007 2:03:30 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: weegee

The 'talent' on the dems side is just amazing!


20 posted on 03/08/2007 5:06:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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