Posted on 03/07/2007 12:19:59 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
If either Hitlery or Giulianni wins in 2008, the liberals will have won the White House either way. For now, I'll support the only real conservative on the ticket.
Bump.
Fresh news.......
Rudy is just the man for the job!!
From what I've heard, Rudy believes the federal government should keep it's nose out of gun control. The state and municipal level is where he thinks it should be, if desired by the states or municipality. He wants the Feds out of that business. But if gun rights keeps people for voting for Rudy, then they will help get a real gun grabber elected, Hillary!
It's already happening on FR. Look at all the ardent pro and anti-Rudy postings.
Well, the abortion issue is serious. But let's get serious about the rest of this hit piece. Rudy was more than a one day mayor. The way he showed himself to the nation on 9/11 was pretty much the way he showed himself to the city all through his tenure as mayor. It wasn't just a lucky accident.
Try to picture some of our other mayors--Philadelphia, New Orleans, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, almost any of our big cities--acting the way Giuliani did. He is an unusually fine leader. He took charge as he is accustomed to taking charge. He can't be faulted in those areas.
Abortion is another question, which he needs to deal with somehow.
Congressman Billybob
Oh, he's dealt with it all right. He's "personally opposed, but . . . " or so we keep hearing. I can believe a good many other FReepers find that acceptable, but I cannot imagine that you do.
Lets see if I follow this logic. Rudy has more than 40% of the conservative vote and is more than twice any other candidate (McCain)and he easily beats Hillary in all polls and he should drop out to make room for some nobody like Duncan Who? who still only has one percent in the polls. Geez. Can I sell you a bridge to nowhere?
Thanks for the warning.
Leaving this quagmire thread now.........
The Party is ALREADY split.. George Bush did it on immigration..
Giuliani is only splintering it even more.. on several other issues..
But Bush started it and is continuing it.. ON PURPOSE..
WHY?... Yeah thats a good question..
Thats WHY Hitlery WILL BE elected..
Most republicans won't even know this split has happened till 2009..
Rudy was on Hannity recently and declared gun ownership "must be regulated". His remarks are posted all around FR and Jim even wrote a piece addressing Rudy's remarks. Since we only have New York as a historic basis to logically premise our opinion - MANY law abiding citizen gun owners would have been instantly made criminals had they not forfeited their Second Amendment right to Giuliani's "regulation."
So if one votes for Rudy one, in essence, tells every conservative Republican and every pro-gun Independent or rightly-tilted Democrat it's okay to "regulate" our firearm ownership rights. Also said to them is it's okay to side with the pro-abortion lobby, the homosexual lobby, and the nanny state expansionists.
A vote for Rudy implies to every elected official those Conservative positions are no longer important to defend, so we're saddled with the question, "Is this the direction in which we want America to go? the direction in which we wish to aid steer it?" As for me, the answer is a resounding "NO!"
My position is this before the primaries and will remain so even after the general:
With Republicans like Rudy, the damage done to Conservative ideals would take decades to overcome. Numerous years worth of gains made since Reagan's influence proving leaders can at the same time be fiscally and socially conservative would be immediately tossed.
Liberal Republicans like Rudy are more dangerous than liberal democrats,,,,,
because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between liberalism and conservatism,,,
making LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE.
That is precisely what you said, but you stated it so much better!! This country just does NOT need two political parties to the left of center. JulieAnnie would accelerate that movement!
Bravo.
I will not support Rudy. My only decision is whether to openly oppose him or not.
Your post pushes me more towards open opposition.
I'd much rather have the party regroup at the corral and retool our strategy based on sound reason as the faithful defend the battlefront in preparation of a later victory battle. Giuliani just isn't right, literally or figuratively.
LOL. You might want to listen a little harder.
Better yet . . . Go back and check out his well-documented track record on this specific issue when he was mayor of New York City. It will help avoid all of the confusion that has been deliberately sown in our path by the "reconstructed Rudy Giuliani" hacks* in the media.
* This means you -- Sean Hannity, Deroy Murdock, Steve Malanga, etc.
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