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Catholic Online ^ | 3/6/2007

Posted on 03/06/2007 5:39:37 PM PST by markomalley

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To: markomalley
The bottom line: Republicans have made inroads into the Catholic vote for years because of the pro-life issue. If they put a pro-abortion politician up for president, the gains they’ve built for decades will vanish overnight.

DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS ISSUE MEMO ON LOSS OF CATHOLICS

Washington, DC, Apr. 13, 2005 (Culture of Life Foundation/CWNews.com) - A memo authored by a prominent Democratic strategy organization calls the decline in support of white Catholics for Democrats "striking" and "a big part of the 2004 election story." One of the analysis' key findings is that Catholic voters are becoming more pro-life, which the authors called "a factor in the recent losses and one of the blockages for Democrats, at least in the Midwest."

The data also reveals that young Catholics are more pro-life than their parents and that bishops who speak out against pro-abortion politicians help bolster the pro-life vote.

The abortion issue is particularly potent for a group called "Democratic defectors" who either identified themselves as Democrats or voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 but voted for President Bush in the last election. Among this group, "26 percent believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases, nearly three times the number for all Catholic Democrats."

The memo was issued by Democracy Corps, a research and tactical advice organization founded by Democrat strategy virtuosos James Carville, Stanley Greenberg and Bob Shrum. Titled "Reclaiming the White Catholic Vote," it is based on data from a nationwide survey of more than 1,000 white Catholic voters.

The decline in the white Catholic vote has been steady over the last decade. Clinton won it by seven percentage points; Al Gore lost it by seven points; and Sen. John Kerry lost it by 14 points. The data provided in the report provides a fascinating window into the much discussed Catholic vote and makes it clear Democrats are losing ground because of their stance on a range of cultural issues.

It turns out that one of the most contentious and visible issues in the 2004 election, the denial of the Eucharist to pro-abortion politicians, did not hurt the pro-life side as many said it would.

The poll found that when white Catholics were asked whether or not they were more or less likely to vote for a Democrat that "is denied Communion by the area's bishop for voting to support abortion rights" 49 percent said they were less likely while 33 percent said they were more likely.

The memo also made it clear that the abortion issue is not going away. "Although the pro-life position is strongest among seniors, Catholics' current pro-life position does not appear likely to lessen with time.

While middle-age Catholics lean toward keeping abortion legal, voters under 30 are more pro-life: 53 percent believe abortion should be illegal in most cases." The pro-life position could be a winning one for Democrats according to the study.

Fifty-nine percent of white Catholics say they are more likely to support a Democratic candidate who is pro-life and 35 percent say they are less likely, giving a pro-life Democrat a 24 point advantage. Even on the East Coast where Catholics are less pro-life, a pro-life Democrat has a 12 point advantage over a pro-abortion candidate.

The memo advises Democrat candidates to get around the issue by presenting themselves as one who "[b]elieves in a woman's right to choose but believes all sides should come together around the common goal of preventing and reducing the number of abortions, with more sex ed, including abstinence, access to contraception and more adoption."

This common ground approach is reminiscent of a recent speech given by New York Senator and likely presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, in which she softened her approach to abortion by calling it a "tragic choice." In the speech she said faith-based abstinence should be embraced but also called on increased funding for "family planning services," a euphemism for contraception, abortifacients, and abortions.

SOURCE http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=36492

181 posted on 03/06/2007 7:16:11 PM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Amen.

And no one is "shoving" candidates down someone else's throats.

My goodness. I fear for people who take someone strongly stating an opposing opinion as "running them off" or "shoving candidates down their throat."


182 posted on 03/06/2007 7:16:27 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent
If you agree with him, or disagree with him, fine. If he posts here, he is in the same position as every other poster.

Clearly you believe that. I'm very sorry.

183 posted on 03/06/2007 7:17:58 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: markomalley

As I stated, "Should we throw out principle because of fear, terrorists and the left have won already. The message our deserting conservative principles would send to all remaining Conservatives in Congress, to America, and the world would take decades to reverse."


184 posted on 03/06/2007 7:18:47 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The United States has built the first abortion businesses in both Afghanistan and Iraq, ever.

This flunks the smell test. Both countries have sovereign governments which, such as they are, have the authority to close any such so-called "abortion businesses." And since abortion is forbidden by islamic law, I suspect this is a fight the new governments would not want to have to fight with their more fundamentalist rivals. I'd need to see confirmaton that this goes on before I'd believe it.

185 posted on 03/06/2007 7:21:52 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kevmo
Duncan Hunter does not stand a chance. He may be a good candidate but he can not raise the money to compete in this kind of election. Personally I would prefer better and stronger candidates from the Republican party but the bottom line I will support 100% the Republican candidate on election day whether I agree with all of his positions or not!
186 posted on 03/06/2007 7:23:11 PM PST by martinidon
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To: StAnDeliver

I'm new here?

Right.

Why don't you read that whole thread?

I am aware of JimRob's post to me. He used it to refuse to answer direct questions, posed by me and others, regarding his approval of that thread's use of the words "treasonous liberals."

His answer was snippy and, worse, immaterial to the question at hand. So what?

And, please, can you make the connection for me between what I posted to you and your reply, including quoting from The Owner? Spell that out for me.


187 posted on 03/06/2007 7:23:32 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: StAnDeliver

I've read through the specs repeatedly. Giuliani hits about a 60% match. He is not, perhaps 80% ally. Neither is he 80% enemy.

Reagan's 11th commandment SHOULD rule in such a case, but I suspect we shall continue down the path of eating our own to save the MSM the trouble.


188 posted on 03/06/2007 7:23:45 PM PST by voltaires_zit
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To: Artemis Webb; Pyro7480

He is a most dear friend. He prayed faithfully for my son Vince before he died, and continues to pray for us. I hope you have a friend like that.


189 posted on 03/06/2007 7:23:55 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: Artemis Webb
Good Lord nobody is being "run off FreeRepublic". Don't be a drama queen.

See the principles listed in post #180, the ones on which this site is supposed to be based? I joined FreeRepublic in 1998 because I believed those were valid principles. These days, they are most likely to be ridiculed on this site by posters supporting the pro-abortion, pro-gay candidate from Blue State America. Their hatred of pro-lifers is every bit as strong as anything I've seen on Daily Kos, and I go there only once every blue moon to find out what evil is brewing in the world. Now I don't need to. The evil has found its home right here.

Yes, I'm being run off--in exactly the same way bad always drives off good. You guys should know. You're always bragging about how your man cleaned up the rot that had driven legitimate businesses out of Times Square.

190 posted on 03/06/2007 7:24:39 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Siobhan

You honestly believe that JimRob has some sort of corner on conservative wisdom---because he started a website that attracted a community of conservatives and who make FR what it is?

That's scary.


191 posted on 03/06/2007 7:25:23 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: Siobhan

Quit sucking up.


192 posted on 03/06/2007 7:26:13 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Actually that is a common mistake Westerners make. Islam and Sharia permit Abortion in certain cases when a woman is impregnated by "an infidel" for example. And terminating pregnancies are common practice via honor killings of young women.


193 posted on 03/06/2007 7:26:41 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: babygene; areafiftyone

I totally disagree......just today on the news I saw a Catholic Bishop I believe standing with Ted Kennedy advocating for him and his immigration plan....if the Catholic Church is so opposed to abortion, why don't they excommunicate most the Kennedy's, the Kerry's et al?.. I'm very curious why they don't follow their words with deeds.


194 posted on 03/06/2007 7:27:03 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Enosh
What exactly is a "Black Church?"

AME Zion Churches, for one. A group of Baptist churches, for another. I believe they are a separate denomination but I am not sure of the exact title.

195 posted on 03/06/2007 7:27:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Artemis Webb; Siobhan

Oh, give it a break! My friendship with Siobhan is of little consequence to you.


196 posted on 03/06/2007 7:27:11 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Artemis Webb

Are you so bitter in person?


197 posted on 03/06/2007 7:27:15 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: hinckley buzzard
My guess is that these facilities are set up on U.S. military bases or as part of "medical care" routinely provided to the locals by U.S. doctors.

I understand your skepticism, but knowing what I know about the history of that region and U.S. foreign policy I am certain that nothing would stand in the way of the U.S. when it comes to implementing this kind of crap over there.

198 posted on 03/06/2007 7:27:16 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I wrote no such thing. He's the one that says "Liberals need not apply." He sets the rules and terms.


199 posted on 03/06/2007 7:29:09 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: madprof98

Okay fine. I stand corrected. You ARE being run off. /s

Don't let the door hit you in the azz on the way out.


200 posted on 03/06/2007 7:29:12 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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