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So they couldn't get Cheney or Rove or Bush. So they will settle for inflicting an injustice on Libby?
1 posted on 03/06/2007 10:58:45 AM PST by chesley
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Amazing and the Crime of the Century goes largely unpunished... When Sandy Berger stole documents in an attempt to cover up the Clinton National Security Bungles which allowed 911 to happen he got a slap on the wrist... When the VP Aide forget to remember who he told sent whom to Niger for a boondoggle well he got hammered...

So much for the scales of Justice.


209 posted on 03/06/2007 9:39:31 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Well Mr. Berger what about that Lie Detector test?)
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1. more thing you know it seems to me that if the Republicans aren't going to play hardball with any of these political issues then I guess they sort of deserve what fate gets them...

My cynasism gets the best of me and I start sounding like those I loathe.


210 posted on 03/06/2007 9:41:46 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Well Mr. Berger what about that Lie Detector test?)
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That guy should get them a new trial -- corrupted jury.


217 posted on 03/06/2007 10:48:53 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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::SNORE:: Out of all of the "big newsstories" and not only is one charge cleared but four of minor pursuits. It is very funny, I know how some people try to think this is the most unethical Administration in memory, yeah I guess when 6 or 7 people resign and a few trials are called by Left-Wingers who know nothing. I was reading the Downside Legacy about Bill, and it was very amazing. Especially by the propaganda outlook that the whole Clinton Machine gave, the IPI(or whatever it was) and that 331 page document. Very few administrations come to the Clinton sleaze level.

Every single minute ole Bill got himself caught into one scandal after another all the while the Media was almost completely in bed with him (including people who were directly or indirectly connected to his administration). But, I guess if your hero is tarred and ran out of town that you have to find revenge to crease your desires. Makes me sick.


218 posted on 03/07/2007 1:41:05 AM PST by Merta (The Entertainment FReeper(ideas on movies, music, videogames without the constant Bush bashing))
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So the jury says they convicted the wrong guy. Brilliant. Sounds like a slam dunk on appeal to me.


220 posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:54 AM PST by beans36
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lol what the hell kind of jury is this?


230 posted on 03/07/2007 6:21:42 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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If you are a Republican, there is NO WAY you're going to get a fair jury in the DC area! The first thing Libby's Shyster Lawyer should've done was demand a change of venue.


231 posted on 03/07/2007 6:24:43 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton!)
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Not a mention of any of this on the local news channels. The sheeple will never hear it.


235 posted on 03/07/2007 6:45:00 AM PST by beansox (DOH!)
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That entire report on Nightline made me wanna vomit. I went to bed thinking what a sleazebag place Washington is.


248 posted on 03/07/2007 7:05:29 AM PST by mikhailovich
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My major objection to this whole thing is extracting "crimes" from a situation where there was no original crime committed. This seems to be the political hatchet job of choice for both parties. Create a potential crime, then watch the operatives scramble, then start investigation, then invent crimes of omission, cover up, etc. It is Kafkaesque to be sure.
252 posted on 03/07/2007 7:25:05 AM PST by oncebitten
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That's so weird - I know one of the jurors from the Julie Hiatt Steele trial, and that jury was hung because a couple of the jurors felt that convicting her after Clinton was acquitted was unfair. Everyone in the room agreed that she was guilty.


255 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:17 AM PST by nina0113
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Speaking of Media Bias. The MSM had one of their own moles on Libby's jury. More on the MSM's and Fitzy's juror plant, Denis Collins:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1796724/posts?page=1

New Revelations from Former 'Wash Post' Reportor/Libby Juror
Editor & Publisher ^ | March 07, 2007 | Joe Strupp


Posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:14 AM PST by txradioguy


NEW YORK Denis Collins, the juror in the Libby/CIA leak case who delivered a post-verdict commentary for the press, spent about a decade at The Washington Post. Today, after a night on cable TV shows, he re-appears with a massive recounting of his experience at the Huffington Post blog.

His story is billed as "INSIDE THE JURY ROOM: WHAT THE JURY THOUGHT, DAY BY DAY, WITNESS BY WITNESS, AT THE SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL" by Denis Collins, Juror #9. It calls it "unedited" impressions, memories and facts. Other jurors' names are changed.

The New York Times today reports that he is a registered Democrat. He recalls that he revealed when considered for the jury that he had worked with Bob Woodward for three or four years and also with the Post's Walter Pincus, another witness at the trial. Until a year ago, Tim Russert was a neighbor and he even attended backyard barbeques at Russert's place. But attorneys at both tables merely offered "ain't this a small town" grins, he relates.

He adds that he went to grade school with the Times' Maureen Dowd, who allegedly had a crush on Collins' brother.

One of the lawyers asked him the subject of his 2005 book. "You wrote about the CIA?" Collins said yes, which along with his reporting connections amounted to the "perfect storm." He comments: "Yet here I am," on the CIA leak case jury.





This decision shows why DC has become a bed of illiterate liberal idiots.

This decision is more dangerous to White Conservative Males than Ben Laden and al Qaeda. Now we can be found guilty for any imaginary crime the liberals come up with.

Sandy Berger walks with an admitted act of theft of top secret documents and treason. Libby is charged and found guilty with an imaginary crime.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1796418/posts

Real Story Behind CIA Leak
Fox News Corp. ^ | 3-6-07 | John Gibson

Excerpt from this oped by John Gibson:
In any event Libby is a Republican and works for Dick Cheney to some liberals and to the media that in itself deserves Capital Punishment.

In contrast the national security advisor to President Bill Clinton, risking his livelihood, and his liberty stole classified documents from the national archives and destroyed them. He knew that this was a crime but the travesty is that he stole these documents in the midst of a bi-partisan commission's investigation into the terrorist attacks of 911. The implication of this act is treason.

The key questions, still unanswered are who was Mr. Berger covering up for? Was it his own mistakes as National Security Advisor that would be embarrassing to be made public by the 911 commission? Or, was he in fact covering up for mishandlings by Bill Clinton? History will never be able to re-create facts that were in those destroyed documents and therefore we may never know why the government failed to stop 911 from happening.

Almost 3000 Americans were murdered and the crime to cover up the facts surrounding that is largely unpunished. Mr. Berger is a liberal Democrat who worked for former President Bill Clinton. Being a Liberal Democrat who worked for the media beloved Bill Clinton got him a pass. So much for the balanced scales of justice.


261 posted on 03/07/2007 7:57:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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I watched Collins on CSpan, repeated several times.

Here's what I took: He wasn't saying that he thought Libby didn't lie, but was a fall guy for somebody else who did. He was saying Libby did lie. He believed Russert's testimony and even said he believed ALL the reporters who testified...other than their poor memories, that is. Which he acknowledged. Also that Libby did have a poor memory, but not so poor as to make his defense to the charges believable, given what he took to be he facts of the case.

I didn't get that he was demanding to know why Rove and BUSH and CHENEY weren't in the dock. Just Rove and others in the administration he did not name. Now maybe he was thinking BUSH and CHENEY but he didn't say that. "Rove and these other guys" was kind of hard to parse. It was vague, except for Rove's name.

I believe the biggest problem - besides a "looks bad" factual case for Libby's innocence, is that most of the jury was inclined to believe the Prosecution and its star witnesses, and did not have that feeling about the defense. About them, I think they felt that something wrong probably went on in the administration, otherwise what on earth was all the fuss about and the special prosecutor and time and money etc put into this? The couple of jurors that they had to work hard to bring along with them were the exception, not the rule. They seemed to feel Libby could have been confused and memory challenged, as improbable as it seemed, and so were reluctant to convict. They got overcome and worn down with time and being in the minority.

I'm not saying there was no innate bias in this jury that was political. It's easy to believe there probably was. I'm saying his remarks don't show that to me. What his remarks showed me was too much respect for the Prosecution side going in, and not enough for the Defense side going in.

The benefit of the doubt went to the wrong persons.

JMO

Is the verdict reversible on this ground? DOUBT IT. No doubt many juries have made this error. But they did extensively deliberate on the charges and the evidence, unless his account was a total lie from beginning to end. Which will get them a passing grade, I think.

The impression created here, by some, that they ignored the facts, charges and evidence, and made decisions based on WHO WASN'T THERE, is just not supported by the Collins' press conference I watched several times.

That they were curious and suspicious about that...just what really did go down in the administration and where was the rest of it that this was the only case brought...was evident from his statement.

Thus, their mindset going in - I say - was ripe to credit the Prosecution too much and the "presumed innocent defendant" not enough.


262 posted on 03/07/2007 8:00:48 AM PST by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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Guess who Libby's "jury of peers" were?
271 posted on 03/07/2007 9:52:28 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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If they were asking questions like that, it is very disturbing that they would convict Libby. I think the jury should be investigated. In my opinion the jury was tainted and a mistrial should have been called. Big mistake on the part of the defense. Hope it hasn't hurt the appeal.
274 posted on 03/07/2007 10:15:31 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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Libby's retarded lawyer chose to make Rove the evil behind all this. No wonder he lost. He should have gone after the idiots in the media who pushed this story like Joe Wilson.


281 posted on 03/07/2007 1:50:50 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1797025/posts

This will make your blood boil!


282 posted on 03/07/2007 3:20:42 PM PST by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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Seems like an episode from the Twilight Zone to me. Guilty of a crime that was not committed? Where did they find these jurors? Is there a "Morons-R-Us" in that district?


286 posted on 03/07/2007 4:26:08 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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So much fodder for the appeal ... and when will we put the "Special Prosecutor Law" out of its misery once and for all?


288 posted on 03/08/2007 8:21:06 AM PST by sono (Al Gore buys carbon offsets with Blood Diamonds)
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Kangaroo Court!


296 posted on 03/15/2007 4:53:08 PM PDT by pray4liberty (a saint is a sinner who never gave up.)
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