Posted on 03/05/2007 10:22:20 AM PST by Sunsong
Pennsylvania may just have given the Republican Party, and Rudy Giuliani in particular, some desperately needed good news. It came in the form of polling results provided by the Center for Opinion Research at Franklin and Marshall College.
The Keystone Poll found that if Pennsylvania residents decided today among the leading 2008 presidential contenders, either Giuliani or Sen. John McCain would defeat either Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. Giuliani leads Clinton 53 percent to 37 percent, and he leads Obama 52 percent to 32 percent. McCain trumps Clinton 45 percent to 41 percent and Obama 43 percent to 37 percent. Those are startling findings, since 46 percent of Pennsylvania respondents told the pollsters they believed the Republican president was doing a "poor job."
Clearly, suburbanites are prepared to support a Republican presidential candidate who is tough on terrorists but moderate on social issues. Giuliani seems uniquely able to attract a majority of support from politically moderate Pennsylvanians. And it's significant that both Giuliani and McCain lead Clinton and Obama even in Southeastern Pennsylvania...
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
"So, one would expect that eventually it would be making a comeback." No, the Democrats have a better plan. If they raise taxes even more than presently, and then increase the crime by bringing in gambling to turn various cities into small, sleazy, Atlantic City clones, it will run more people out. Once the state has a small manageable population of nursing home residents, unable to leave, it will be easy to euthanize them for their own good. /s
That's funny coming from someone from Maryland. If it wasn't for Philly and all the libs moving in from Baltimore we would be pretty darn conservative. Just compare your gunlaws to ours. And your taxes to ours. And your Republican Congressmen to ours.
I really hope you are right and I am wrong. But I thought Ken Blackwell was a great conservative candidate, and he got thumped. I remember Gov. Taft allowed a 1% sales tax increase state-wide, and Sec of State Blackwell had people standing outside of Browns games with petitions to repeal it. He was unafraid of a pro-life, social and economic conservative agenda. I thought he was a great speaker. He got thumped by the LIB'est of Liberals Ted Strickland.
We discussed Ohio yesterday on another thread.
Last election, Bush won Ohio by about 100,000 votes. There was amazing Amish turnout. Some Amish districts had 100% voter turnout for the President.
Will this happen again for a pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate? Or will they just stay home?
Does it matter to you that he trails in Ohio?
I don't know if the Amish show up or stay home. I guess maybe they stay home. But where were they for the gubernatorial in 06? We had a chance for a STAUNCH pro-lifer and pro-family governor, and we blew it.
"Will this happen again for a pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate? Or will they just stay home?"
Yes.
Its funny that some think the NATION is going to elect a far right candidate at this point in time.
"For every liberal vote Giuliani (McCain is pretty much dead in the water) picks up, the Repubs will loose at least ONE conservative vote."
Michael Barone and all the polls disagree with this and so do I.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/archives/070223/newt_vs_hillary.htm
Its funny that some think the NATION is going to elect a far right candidate at this point in time.
It's kind of mind-boggling, isn't it. People who seem basically intelligent - but, for whatever reason, seem to be deliberately blind to the nature of the American electorate in 2007. You'd think the *thumping* of 2006 might have jolted them a bit from their sleep(s).
Its hard to reason with people that think gays are a bigger threat than terrorist.
LOL - yeah those scary gays - going to hold you down and *do* your hair(s) - or tell you how to decorate your home. The horror(s).
I lived in Penna. from 1992 to 2006.
If it wasn't for Philly and all the libs moving in from Baltimore we would be pretty darn conservative.
Yes, and if it wasn't for Baltimore and the DC suburbs here we'd be pretty darn conservative too. But reality has it differently.
Just compare your gunlaws to ours.
I predict within 10 years or less, gun laws (just about all of which are illegal) in Penna. will be just as restrictive as they are here.
And your taxes to ours.
Actually, property taxes down here are not that bad... though I use my parents' house in Chester County as the basis for comparison. Our sales tax is lower, income tax is higher, but rest assured, Penna. will be right up here in the tax department soon.
> Not looking good for Hitlery. She loses in NJ and PA and she is toast.
That is, of course, assuming that the Republicans run somebody with better mass appeal than her.
It might not seem like a big job, but to really sell conservativism takes a certain panache, a la Reagan.
If you don't have it, you wind up career limited in a big way. Ask Santorum.
> We already have that person.
A fairly large number of people on this site, to the extent that they are representative of GOP primary voters, loathe that person, regardless of what it does to the Republican chances in the general election.
I know I'm tons more excited about handing my guns over to Rudy instead of Hillary. Go team.
yes, and he didn't win the CPAC straw poll. And your point is?
Why should it bother me if he trails in Ohio?
You're correct that the dirt will really hit the fan when Guiliani's the nominee. Remember how it was conveniently leaked that Bush had been stopped for drunk driving? Remember how his poll numbers dropped? And this was for something that happened decades before. Guiliani's transgressions are fairly recent, aren't they? Like a few years ago?
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