[CharlesWayneCT]

Why would it be a defeat for the dems if most of them vote for Rudy?

[Outland]

Rino Giuliani is sure to get the gay vote.

[phillyfanatic]

Because, if you could understand precinct voting, and numbers in even the Red States, Dem votes are needed to inch any Goper over the edge to be a winner. There are more Dems registered than Gopers. Now, one thing is known. Likely voters in both parties are close but Pubs for years have gotten their voters out. In Ca., with huge Dem numbers, Rudy could not only win but with some coatails, even bring some down ticket Pubs in with him. Arnold could not do that but on a Presidential ticket, it is possible. NJ would be another such state.

[GSlob]

'Why would it be a defeat for the dems if most of them vote for Rudy?"
Well, there are dems and then there are dems. There are, or could be, Rudy dems, just like earlier there were Reagan dems - and then there are hillary dems, moveon dems. The latter are to be defeated at all costs. The former are, or could be, a proper part of civilized body politic.