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WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008
A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons

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To: Pharmboy
Was it during the same time period that this occurred:

Policing innovations led to a historic drop in crime far beyond what anyone could have imagined, with total crime down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder (the most reliable crime statistic) down 67 percent, from 1,960 in Dinkins’s last year to 640 in Giuliani’s last year. The number of cars stolen in New York City every year plummeted by an astounding 78,000.

I'm an NRA member and own two hand guns. I didn't bother to even try to get a carry permit in NYC. I moved to Orange County, and got a state carry permit.

I think Rudy understands the different roles that mayors and presidents play. I stand by my statements.

But, I am curious why I can find nothing about revoking permits in google searches.

601 posted on 03/04/2007 8:31:23 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: dmw

Yes, I already said I was wrong. You must have missed it a few posts back. Again, I stand corrected on that point about FR being a republican forum.

My apologies. I didn't realize republicans have kooties around here.

BTW, what is your party affiliation?


602 posted on 03/04/2007 8:36:32 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: Gurn

how can you be a Christian, and vote for a candidate that is not only pro-abortion but pro partial birth abortion?

I'm not flaming, just trying to understand. The Canaanites were wiped from their land for sacrificing their children to Molech. Should we expect God's judgement on our land to be any less?


603 posted on 03/04/2007 8:39:30 PM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: PhiKapMom; Al Simmons; areafiftyone; BunnySlippers; Peach
Rudy saw a terrorist attack coming and forced his city staff to train for it--hence they were ready for September 11.

Rudy led through the recovery and now is saying "we need to be looking at Iran. We need to be looking at Syria."

The big picture is the survival of America under the combined attack of Islamoterrorists, the fifth-column media, and the peace Democrats. Rudy is the leader for that fight.

That he will nominate judges of the philosophy of Roberts, Alito and Scalia is the most important philosophical litmus test.

His record in New York is driving those on welfare into work, cutting taxes and reversing the fiscal catastrophe in the greatest demonstration of municipal conservative budgetary policy in history.

He slashed the killing and drained the swamp of porn, prostitution and other street crime.

His action vis-a-vis the museum as representing the culture war against faith is a signal indicator of his preeminent leadership on this vital issue.

And Rudy is very likable, too.

Doesn't have the siliconized synthetic lubrication of some of the choreographed animatronic candidates, but then, that's because he's a mensch.

604 posted on 03/04/2007 8:42:47 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Reagan Man
I may be a smartalec, but only in self defense...because, you guys engage in so much name calling. Trying to have a discussion on the topic of Rudy is near impossible.

If you check my posts you will not find one instance where I called anyone a derogatory name.

Seems that's all the anti's do...name call.

Just a question: So, atheists can't be conservatives that are welcome on FR in discussions about politics or global warming or nanny state issues? Just asking. No smartalec, just asking a serious question.

605 posted on 03/04/2007 8:49:57 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: aligncare; Reagan Man; Jim Robinson
Trying to have a discussion on the topic of Rudy is near impossible.

Glad to hear that FR conservatives are doing their job.

606 posted on 03/04/2007 8:53:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: Mom MD

I can answer this for myself-- it's because I believe that Rudy's election would more likely have a positive effect on the lessing of abortions than would _______ [fill in the blank]'s electoral loss.

Simply stated, I firmly belive that ultimately, we'd get more agressive anti-abortion legilation pushed through if I support Rudy than if I don't.


607 posted on 03/04/2007 8:53:45 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too (Don't make perfect the enemy of the good)
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To: Mom MD
Remember that God hardens hearts and softens hearts for his purpose and his Glory.

Trust him and listen to the Holy Spirit.

608 posted on 03/04/2007 8:55:24 PM PST by right way right (It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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To: PhilDragoo
That he will nominate judges of the philosophy of Roberts, Alito and Scalia is the most important philosophical litmus test.

A complete suspension of disbelief is necessary to buy into that bit of spin, and a willful closing of one's eyes to the man's entire public career.

609 posted on 03/04/2007 8:56:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: aligncare
I think Rudy understands the different roles that mayors and presidents play. I stand by my statements.

Rudy "understands" that a mayor in N.Y.C. can use baseless lawsuits to harass gun companies in other states who are not doing anything illegal, with the intention of putting them out of business. Is that what you meant?

610 posted on 03/04/2007 8:58:31 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: I_like_good_things_too
Simply stated, I firmly belive that ultimately, we'd get more agressive anti-abortion legilation pushed through if I support Rudy than if I don't.

Simply stated, that's outright foolishness. This is a NARAL politician, one who praised the racist eugenicist founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger.

611 posted on 03/04/2007 8:59:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: EternalVigilance

You've got to be kidding. A discussion forum called FREE REPUBLIC is proud to inhibit discussions?

Good night EV. Catch you on the up side.


612 posted on 03/04/2007 8:59:37 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: PhilDragoo

*PROPER*!


613 posted on 03/04/2007 9:01:37 PM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: aligncare
I saw your post after I posted mine. You are to be commended for admitting you were wrong. Thanks.

You are playing word games. The majority (me included) of the people on this forum are republicans, that isn't an issue here at all. We are focusing on Rudy and simply pointing out that he is not the conservative candidate that you and others are making him out to be.

Kooties? The only people who have Kooties around here are liberals.
614 posted on 03/04/2007 9:02:35 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: supercat

Okay, I give up - Rudy is the Devil, and for supporting Giuliani, I beg forgiveness from Duncan Hunter.

Good night.


615 posted on 03/04/2007 9:03:31 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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If it ever comes down to a contest between Obama and Giuliani in 2008, expect much of the southern voters to stay home on election day or vote for a third party.


616 posted on 03/04/2007 9:03:33 PM PST by Outland (Socialism is a mental disorder.)
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To: nopardons
I haven't EVER "spammed" a thread.

Of course you haven't. You haven't mastered cut and paste skills as yet. Thank God you figured out how to handle the shift key though...the lack of capital letters a few years back was aggravating.

617 posted on 03/04/2007 9:03:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: aligncare
You've got to be kidding. A discussion forum called FREE REPUBLIC is proud to inhibit discussions?

Our host made it clear years ago that this was not a place for liberals to debate against conservatives. There are plenty of other forums for that. This is a place for discussions along the lines of the conservative philosophical ideals of Jim Robinson.

618 posted on 03/04/2007 9:07:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: Al Simmons
We've had our fill of statism, thank you.

George W. Bush, who I supported, was just not a small government conservative. And Bush is as far as I'm willing to go in accomodating moderates or big government conservatives. Giuliani is on the wrong side of about 80-90% of the issues that are important to me, and has no unique or special competency on fighting our enemies.

Let's get back to Reagan Revolution/Contract with America conservatism. And let's do it better this time.

619 posted on 03/04/2007 9:12:41 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: EternalVigilance
Sometimes I think you and nopardons are the same mutiple personality poster.

I lurk over your fights every evening.

Love it.
I don't have the passion, or writing skills to keep up.

Its like a bad accident I just have to look.

620 posted on 03/04/2007 9:14:10 PM PST by right way right (It's almost as bad as being born in a manger. You gotta start somewhere.( www.gohunter08.com)
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