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WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008
A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons

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To: Old_Mil
Any time spent trying to have a conversation with nopardons is really a waste of time in my opinion. I learned that for myself yesterday, and you are right, he has not one ounce of credibility.
541 posted on 03/04/2007 5:47:23 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: nopardons

Exactly why is selling firearms "cheaply" a bad thing? Oh, it's not, is it? It's only because Rudy doesn't want ANYONE to be armed and able to defend themselves that it's bad. But if you're a CONSERVATIVE, why would you support someone who felt that way about firearms? I never could do that and look myself (or anyone else) in the face again. If I supported someone who wanted to ensure that my wife was unable to protect herself from a would-be rapist, what does that make me? You call yourself a woman, yet support a Rudy who wants women to be nothing but VICTIMS; what does that make you?


542 posted on 03/04/2007 5:54:23 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: stockpirate

I acknowledge your thoughts. While I disagree, I know I will not change your mind. If Rudy is the nominee, all I ask is for you to have a good and thoughtful discussion with me.

For now, work for your candidate. I will strongly support the Republican nominee.


543 posted on 03/04/2007 5:55:29 PM PST by TakeChargeBob
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To: Al Simmons
Over and out!

No such phrase. Drop and give every FReeper who's served in uniform 20!

544 posted on 03/04/2007 5:57:23 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Al Simmons

Look, I'm one of those much-maligned, highly-disdained 'socons'. I kinda like the guy; he campaigned (to little benefit, unfortunately) for Ken Blackwell here in Ohio so I respect him for that, especially given the fact that Ken is also a 'socon'. I wish Ken Blackwell would have won the governorship so he could run for president but I digress. Anyway, Mr. Rudy also seems like a very personable guy.

But what I'd like to know how can you all say that he will be the kind of president we need to be strong against the Islamofascists when he supports illegal invaders coming into our country? Security for the country means securing our borders because, as it stands now, ANYONE can come into this country through those borders and that is scary.

And can I get an answer without name-calling and insults, please? I don't care which supporter of Rudy answers me but I am asking a sincere question.


545 posted on 03/04/2007 5:58:45 PM PST by Sister_T (The Axis of Idiocy: The LameStream Media, The DemocRATS and the "peaceful" anti-war moonbats)
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To: Old_Mil

Well, that explains how well the Reform Party among others has done lately.

Never mind that a third party has never been remotely succussful this century or the last one.

Even Teddy Roosevelt couldn't get one to work.

However, you're telling me you have the formula down. Okie dokie.


546 posted on 03/04/2007 5:59:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aligncare

"In case you haven't noticed, the republican party encompasses a wide range of views. If not, we'd all think exactly alike. Organized political parties are just that...they are not religions, where we all hold to a certain set of precepts.

Where's your spirit of American individualism?"

Since I am registered as an INDEPENDENT, I could care less about the Republican Party. However, since you ask, the spirit of American INDIVIDUALISM is on life support over at the Pubbie headquarters, sad to report. MY sense of individualism is doing quite well without that magical (R) anymore, since I actually have respect for the CONSTITUTION and the Republic our Founders handed off to us. It appears that you don't, else you wouldn't have to ask.


547 posted on 03/04/2007 6:01:37 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Reagan Man
I must have different priorities than you do. For me the war on terror and the war in Iraq are important issues.

I think Rudy Giuliani understands the nature of the threat from Islamic terrorism better than most - as it was his city that was attacked by al Qaeda. That's primarily why I'm supporting him. His experience as a successful mayor of New York City who oversaw that city's revitalization is a big plus, too.

RM mischaracterizes Rudy Giuliani, and I strongly disagree with those distortions of his record.
548 posted on 03/04/2007 6:04:36 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: Dog Gone

Times change. Parties change. No election in my memory or knowledge of history has seen a party nominate a candidate opposed to 80% of the platform of the party. The status quo exists till it changes.


549 posted on 03/04/2007 6:09:45 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: DTogo
"Over and out!

No such phrase. Drop and give every FReeper who's served in uniform 20!"

Does the word "Baguero" (phonetic) mean anything? *ducking* ;>)

550 posted on 03/04/2007 6:12:08 PM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: TakeChargeBob

"Any conservative that would hesitate with the choice between Guiliani and Clinton has their head up their butt. This is meant as no disrespect to those who are now articulating no way Rudy even in the general election."

That is in fact an act of disrepsect, and it assults those you want to open a discussion with right up front.

So at some point down the road you hope to be on higher moral ground as to this issue.

As I have stated, if Rudy is the Republican running for POTUS, I will not vote for him, and the party will loose IMHO.

Then maybe, but I doubt it, the leaders will get the message. But I do not think so, after the recent defeats the party leaders couldn't look at themseleves to see where they may have failed, it was all blamed on the voters.

And no the chioe between Hillery and Rudy is not so clear cut and here is why.

If they are the choices then this country is very sick and needs to get better. The solution is not to delay the fever by electing Rudy, but let the fever run full course and elect instead his partner in crime Hillery.

Then maybe, just maybe the so called leaders of our party will understad, but the voters will get to see Socialism at itsvery worse, and not the slower to be inacted Rudy version that still takes us to where Hillery wants to go, but maybe in a couple more years of pain.

Hell lets do it and get it over with, I take Hillery over Rudy, both are liberail/socialists.

Instead show me how he isn't a copy of Hillery, or can you?


551 posted on 03/04/2007 6:12:49 PM PST by stockpirate (Rudy would be Very Bad for this country and Very Bad for the Republican Party!)
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To: Al Simmons

552 posted on 03/04/2007 6:16:10 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: EternalVigilance; Dog Gone
Could you possibly point out which of dog gone's points were not facts?

It's true Rudy is ahead in the polls...it's true he is not a social conservative...and those two facts do raise the ire of social conservatives - just as dog gone stated.

Oh, never mind. It seems you are only interested in calling names. (Bet you really wowed them in your debate club at Harvard!)

553 posted on 03/04/2007 6:17:14 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: Al Simmons
It's not pompus. It's my opinion of Giuliani.

554 posted on 03/04/2007 6:18:22 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Excellent photo!


555 posted on 03/04/2007 6:18:28 PM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: michigander
Oh, I did it on drug threads, too. It's not that time consuming; unique names starting getting sparse toward the end.

556 posted on 03/04/2007 6:20:57 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Al Simmons
Who is Rudy? We have a guy named Rudy who drives a van and takes airfreight to various terminals.

Surely he isn't presidential material.. you must mean someone else.

557 posted on 03/04/2007 6:21:26 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: stockpirate
It's called the Republican party, not the Social Conservative party. Socon's are going to have to get used to accommodating a wide range of views. I won't be held hostage to just two issues...abortion and guns.

(Background: I'm a pro life gun owner with a conceal carry permit in New York state. BTW, I got my permit during the rein of "Rudy the gun grabbing baby killer". Gee, this name calling is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. LOL!)
558 posted on 03/04/2007 6:26:00 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: dcwusmc

Thank you for your response. Now explain what it is that you said?


559 posted on 03/04/2007 6:30:49 PM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: Sister_T

Maybe you should have left out the request for no name-calling or insults.



=P


(just playing!)


560 posted on 03/04/2007 6:31:25 PM PST by RabidBartender
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