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To: thackney
"Not by a long shot. I've worked in remote oil fields where we produced our own fuel. It takes only a tiny fraction of the energy product to make it."

Look, dumbass-- the rough cut simple distillation you did to get the energy to run the oil well doesn't comprise nearly all the energy necessary to produce gasoline on a production scale--there is this little thing called an "oil refinery" at the other end of your pipeline that takes HUGE amounts of energy to run. READ THE DAMNE REPORT AT THE LINK.

90 posted on 03/05/2007 3:55:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Right below where you enter your post, you will find the words NO profanity, NO personal attacks

Stop the profanity and name calling. It only points out how weak your arguments are.

Your report, which I've read times you posted before and re-read again, has no support for the numbers it claims. Just some numbers posted on the Internet without the supporting documentation supporting the claim. It has no validity.

I've worked in refineries and I understand how much energy it takes. Nothing near this claim. Do you know that gasoline was originally a waste product? Producing Kerosene resulting in gasoline there originally was no market for. It doesn't take a huge additional amount of energy.

101 posted on 03/05/2007 6:21:41 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wonder Warthog
the rough cut simple distillation you did to get the energy to run the oil well doesn't comprise nearly all the energy necessary to produce gasoline on a production scale

You at least are learning a little. You now recognize that up to the initial simple distillation does not take even a small part of the number you are claiming. Let me help you on the rest.

The US refines over 6 million barrels of gasoline every day.

US Refinery Net Production

1 Gallon Gasoline = 124,000 BTU

Calculators for Energy Used in the United States, EIA

A little math and we have the US refining
11,590 Trillion BTU's of gasoline per year.

The entire industrial sector of the US used 1,019,156,065 Megawatthours (MWH) of electrical energy. That includes everything: refineries, automotive manufacturing, everything industrial.

US Direct Use and Retail Sales of Electricity

Converted to BTU's
3,480 Trillion BTU

1 megawatthour = 3,412,141 BTU

So you claim we consume 14,260 Trillion BTU's in fossil fuel to produce the gasoline we refine. And you attribute most of this consumption in the final stage of refinery process after the simple distillation. That is Quadrupole the entire electrical energy the entire industrial market in the US consumes. Where do you claim this power is coming from?

Just do a little math, it is obvious how ridiculous this claim is. We use petroleum products because they contain a large ratio of energy available for the cost. Also, gasoline is less than 40% of the petroleum products we refine, where does the power for the rest come from?

The entire world uses more petroleum products as an energy source than any other source. If it took more energy to produce those products than they contained, where would the power come from?

World Consumption of Primary Energy by Energy Type

113 posted on 03/05/2007 8:49:06 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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