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To: pyx
Let's get the whole story out:

A significant fact is that gasoline from petroleum has 115,400 MIDDLE EASTERN Thermal Units per gallon whereas alcohol (ethanol) has only 75,670 AMERICAN Thermal Units  per gallon, or, alcohol has only .66 the energy of gasoline.

Oops! An INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
 

22 posted on 03/04/2007 8:38:51 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Further, the energy input to produce corn, such as machinery, fertilizer, seed, etc., and the total process of conversion of corn grain to alcohol and by-products requires more energy than is produced in the ethanol, according to researchers at Cornell University (2007 publication) and others

Where does much of that production energy come from? Oil. The American vs. Middle East comment is a myth.

33 posted on 03/04/2007 9:07:14 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid $10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Let's get the whole story out: A significant fact is that gasoline from petroleum has 115,400 MIDDLE EASTERN Thermal Units per gallon whereas alcohol (ethanol) has only 75,670 AMERICAN Thermal Units per gallon, or, alcohol has only .66 the energy of gasoline.

Oops! An INCONVENIENT TRUTH.

There you go again Mr. Gore. This "fact" totally ignores that US gasoline comes primarily from North American Sources. BTW- Ethanol uses fertilizers that are petroleum based.

35 posted on 03/04/2007 9:10:34 AM PST by 11th Commandment
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To: Balding_Eagle
Oops! An INCONVENIENT TRUTH.

If the president was serious about this, we would have 50% of the auto's sold in the united sates converted to diesel and running on canola oil, and you could grown the rapeseed for the oil in less acres than is currently used for corn are close to that amount.

43 posted on 03/04/2007 9:20:05 AM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Metric system??

So if a plane in Europe crashes and it's reported that 110 people were killed then in the USA if the same plane crashed only 75 people would have been killed.

(my humble attempt at humor)

/r/jane


58 posted on 03/04/2007 10:14:59 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: Balding_Eagle
A significant fact is that gasoline from petroleum has 115,400 MIDDLE EASTERN Thermal Units per gallon whereas alcohol (ethanol) has only 75,670 AMERICAN Thermal Units per gallon, or, alcohol has only .66 the energy of gasoline.

Your understanding of the energy balance (first law of thermodynamics) is severely limited or you didn't understand or read the article. Depending on the study, it takes anywhere from 70,000 MIDDLE EASTERN BTUS to 91,000 MIDDLE EASTERN BTUS to produce that 75,000 what you call american BTUs So in the worst case you're actually using more arab oil and in the other your getting a very marginal return. The papers I've read that show a 30+% increase do this by changing the way it's measured to include all of the by-products.

This is a bullsh.. way to measure it, since if you're producing it for fuel, then you're only entitled to measure the fuel output. The most optimistic studies based on the energy available show around a 6 - 7 pct net increase, and the less optimistic ones whow a 15% net decrease

92 posted on 03/05/2007 4:13:51 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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