If Giuliani can get through primaries, he stacks up well

St. Petersburg Times ^ | March 4, 2007 | ADAM C. SMITH

[DKNY]

If Giuliani can get through primaries, he stacks up well For a guy commonly regarded as a hero after 9/11, Mayor Giuliani is too quickly dismissed by presidential handicappers. Here's why he deserves a second look.

St. Petersburg Times

[Maeve]

By the declaration of the owner of FreeRepublic, this website is pro-life.

Your gray fuzzy world does not belong here.

[angkor]

You argument is a bit off. First, ectopic pregnancies are

My response was to the several idiots on this thread who are characterizing any exception to the rule as "pro-abortion". One went so far as to say that (paraphrased) "you are either pro-life, or pro-abortion, no exceptions".

Well I think there may be a few exceptions in which the life of the mother may be endangered, and it is not "pro-abortion" to take the steps needed to save at least one life.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"At least I'm not ready to give in to the argument that we should settle a year before the primary."

You don't believe that we have a two party system?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Your gray fuzzy world does not belong here."

Yet, here is is.

I guess the owner of this site allows people to freely believe what they believe.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Do you truly think abortion and gay rights are more important than our nation's defense?"

Abortion and homosexuality are both forbidden under Sharia law, which effectively settles the issue for many on this site of whether to support someone weak on national defense, or someone strong on national defense.

[auto power]

Rudy is running very well with the conservative base, with a scattering of malcontents which every party has. The wide support for Rudy is gaining momentum and is surprising the "Washington Beltway" which is always entertaining to watch.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Shame on Joe for winning on a third party ticket."

Talk about stretching the truth in order to make a point.

Joe didn't win on a third party ticket, Joe ran as an Independent...which means NO PARTY.

[LtdGovt]

Ah, you support the abortionist who admits it.

The critical issue for me is not abortion, but the WOT. That's why I would vote for your candidate if he gets the nomination.

[LtdGovt]

You know Joe Leiberman cannot win since he ran on the third party ticket. Shame on Joe for winning on a third party ticket.

Lieberman had positive name recognition, money, everything but the Democratic nomination. That's about the opposite of the folks at the Constitution Party, all they have is the nomination of some obscure party.

[LtdGovt]

I understand your position. It is a difficult issue. For me, it is difficult to believe that from the moment of conception, a fertilized egg is a life. However, at some point, it does become a human life and abortion is no different from infanticide. Maybe we should allow first-trimister abortions only.

[LtdGovt]

My concerns are wide and expansive and range from

They are? Then why were you only talking about abortion, and even calling your opponents on the issue 'baby-killers'? You don't realize that such name-calling is disgusting, dishonest and serves only to alienate people from your side? By all means, continue to use such rhetoric.

If you take the time to really delve into Rudy's background you will find him to be a big government supporter

Wrong. Rudy believes that the founding principle of the GOP is limited government, not limitd freedom. And as a President, that's exactly how he will govern - being President is very different from being a Mayor.

. His views on these matters are diametrically opposite of the Republican platform as well as his views on the homosexual issue.

Why did you think that the 'homosexual issue' is so important that you felt the need to single that one out?

His response to 911 was what any halfway decent CEO would have done.

Right... and what he did in turning around New York was something even you could have done.

[LtdGovt]

Ah, but contraception prevents the process by which potential life is created. Left alone, a fetus would develop into a human being, that does not apply to an egg before fertilization.

[LtdGovt]

LOL!

[LtdGovt]

The science of reproduction makes it very clear that it is not "potential life" -- rather it is human life

Okay. Now prove that "science... makes it... clear that it is...human life". Remember, we are talking about science.

(By the way, how is the Science of Reproduction called? Do you, by any chance, mean the Science of Life?)

ending of human life which in terms of the great body of human law means that it is murder.

I did not know that the any ending of life is necessarily murder. I guess Apollo still hasn't stopped shooting his arrows at us.

The use of "potentiality" in the abortion debate by those who support it continues the same line of reason employed by the Nazis in exterminating the Gypsies, the Jews, and the disabled.

Yeah, right.

[texastoo]

By law Joe had to run on a party ballot. Call it what you will, it was not Democrat or Republican. He had to collect signatures and follow the state rules for being a their party candidate.

Yes, Republicans crossed over by the thousands and were encouraged to vote for a third party candidate in the very last election.

Could this be different strokes for different folks time?

[texastoo]

By law Joe had to run on a party ballot. Call it what you will, it was not Democrat or Republican. He had to collect signatures and follow the state rules for being a their party candidate.

Yes, Republicans crossed over by the thousands and were encouraged to vote for a third party candidate in the very last election.

Could this be different strokes for different folks time?

[texastoo]

The reason Lieberman won is due to the fact that Republicans crossed over and voted for him. Now the Republicans are saying that can't happen. LOL!

[dirtboy]

He hates abortion

Oh, bullcrap. Pols who hate abortion don't address NARAL twice or say they would pay for their granddaughter to have an abortion.

[Hildy]

I have made that point before...thank you for saying it in a much more eloquent way than I have.

[Ransomed]

LG, yes, it is a difficult issue, even for conservitives--maybe especially for conservatives, who have strong ideas about liberty. Those that don't believe it's depriving a person of life see the other side as sanctioning government control over a private aspect of a person's life. Those that do believe abortion deprives a person of life want the government to exercise one of it's only acceptable duties, protecting our inalienable rights.

When conservatives disagree on issues involving liberty, the long-knives get pulled on both sides, because liberty is so important to us! Just check out a WOD or marriage thread sometime--the issues revolve around liberty, and are full of conservatives yellin' at conservatives, which is always interesting if you ask me.