Posted on 03/04/2007 2:53:43 AM PST by LibWhacker
Just because somebody was there doesn't mean their 'observations' are not influenced by their agenda...i.e. John Kerry and all the other Vietnam Vets who are America haters. You can't hide behind your one single statement that basically says 'Charles Lindbergh is right and everyone else is wrong'.
My agenda is truth
BS. Your agenda is pure and simple; to discredit the United States of America and our military heroes, even those who are no longer alive to defend themselves any longer.
This is a thread about the horrible dissections and experiments performed by the Japanese on their helpless prisoners.
You are equating your self-proclaimed truth with these terrible acts. Don't even try to deny it. Even when you say 'they were worse but that doesn't excuse us' you are trying to create one issue in the readers minds. Why else would you jump in on a thread about Japanese atrocitries with your so called 'enlightened truths' about American atrocities?
I support what our military accomplished, whatever it took, to save the world from the domination of Nazi and Shinto Imperial fascism, which would have meant the end of freedom, the end of liberty, the end of human dignity.
Period.
It's so easy for someone to sit comfortably behind their computer, anonymously, and toss around comments about 'American atrocities', while you show your ignorance and your lack of appreciation to the fact that if we had not done EVERYTHING that was done in order to win that war, you literally might not be here today. I hope you feel soooooo good about yourself by calling people to the attention of narby's undisputed truth.
I say your comments are despicable.
And if all that isn't bad enough, you then have the nerve to say;
Todays Japanese, and many Germans, have no idea of what their parents generation did. How is your attitude different?
Where do I start with that lunacy? First of all, if you have ever spent any time in Germany or Japan, you would know how much of this has been drilled into them over the last 50 years. To a lesser extent in Japan, but still true.
Secondly, today's generation are the grandchildren of the WWII soldiers, and both generations are very aware.
Last, I guess I need to explain to you the difference of what the Nazi's and Japanese did, starting with their master plan to dominate the world, eliminate personal freedoms, exterminate unwanted races and religions, and commit unspeakable atrocities on the road to doing that.
So, my disputing your "truth", by defintion, cannot even be compared to anything, any way, any shape, any form, of the despicable acts of those regimes.
We were right to do what we did. It's a darn shame that there are still unappreciative and self-righteous free loaders that were also spared and then choose to cowardly spit on our military heroes from the comfort of their keyboard.
Despicable.
Oh, and regarding the other piece of BS..."CBI meant that he was likely early in the war "...My Dad arrived there in 1943 and returned in January 1946, 5 months after the end of the war.
Again I ask you...why are you even here on Free Republic?
LOL...sad, but true. Even here on FR...just look at this thread and you will see someone accusing Americans of atrocities in WWII and trying to equate us with the bad guys.
Apparently, the experience of the Dutch in what was then the Dutch East Indies, helped reduce the mortality rate, particularly as to amputations among the POWs. Among the other allies, there was a mortality rate of about 50% for amputations. The almost total absence of medicine made it worse. I hadn't heard the story about the Dutch in Japan. Trade with Japan was obviously a higher priority than spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.
" It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers — and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4 % chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30 %.[5] "
Tokyo Rose was in Japan, which is why the comment specifically stated Americans of Japanese descent in the United States.
Except for Christ, all men are bad.
Or, fall short of the glory of God. I understand that.
But, Jesus loves all of us and offers salvation to all. God wants us to advance His kingdom here on earth.
Without defending ourselves against those who would destroy the freedom to choose Christ, God's kingdom will not be advanced. Everything that happens filters thru God's hands, thus, He clearly blessed our efforts.
Jesus offers all individuals His grace and mercy and forgiveness from all sin. His desire is salvation for all.
1Timothy 1:13-14
Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
Lindbergh was in the South Pacific on his own dime, risking his life for his country without military orders to do so. It was risky enough going up against Zero fighters (that almost shot him down), but it was probably riskier to test fly Corsairs from dirt fields with bombs 4 times larger than the attach points were designed to hold.
At Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh dedicated his life to helping America win the war. Accusing him of "hating America" is BS.
Your agenda is pure and simple; to discredit the United States of America
My agenda is truth. If American soldiers murdered Japanese soldiers while under a whte flag, then I would hope that they would be man enough to admit to it, as this Japanese guy did.
You are equating your self-proclaimed truth with these terrible acts.
No. You did that. The Japanese were under orders to do what they did. The American commanders merely ignored what was going on.
Why else would you jump in on a thread about Japanese atrocitries with your so called 'enlightened truths' about American atrocities?
Because I see Americans pridefully beating their chest in a way that says "we are good", but "they were evil". Sorry, it's not that simple.
I support what our military accomplished, whatever it took, ... Period.
So you would have been with Lt. Calley in Vietnam, firing on civilians, rather than the brave helicopter pilot that landed in the middle of the fire zone that stopped the murders. I get it.
if you have ever spent any time in Germany or Japan, you would know how much of this has been drilled into them over the last 50 years.
And Americans have had it drilled into them for 50 years that Americans were always good, and Japanese were always bad. I ask again, how is your attitude different from the Germans and Japanese of today who refuse to admit that their parents generation committed atrocities?
It's a darn shame that there are still unappreciative and self-righteous free loaders that were also spared and then choose to cowardly spit on our military heroes
I praise the heros of that generation. Joe Foss. Richard Bong, and hundreds of thousands more. Even Charles Lindbergh was brave. I reserve the spit on those who murdered under color of war, and don't have the bravery to admit it after 50 years.
If in your imagination you think that I'm slandering your father, then you're one with a problem (unless you actually are covering for something he did). The CBI theater was not the Solomons.
Again I ask you...why are you even here on Free Republic?
Because first of all I want the truth. If Hanoi Jane got on Hanoi radio and aided the enemy, then that truth should be acknowledged and she should be tried for treason. If John Kerry forged Purple Heart applications in order to leave Vietnam early, then that truth should be told.
And if some, *some* Americans committed atrocities in the islands of the South Pacific, then that truth should be told too. If we're going to tell stories of wartime atrocities, then tell all of them, not just those of the other side.
Are we gonna demand that Japan arrest and extradite these alleged human beings for their crimes?
You are not an American, are you? At least, not by birth?
I knew there were atrocities committed by the Japanese, but I had no idea how vile and barbaric it was.
I am overwhelmed with the horror of it all.
Is that what you really mean to do? You really want to be a John Kerry here?
Where is your evidence other than a single person's account of what occurred? There were thousands upon thousands of soldiers and Marines on those islands. Where is the body of evidence to back up your accusations of our WWII GI's?
Yes, there is. It's time to expose that.
I am often aghast at the level of cruelty man is capable of displaying.
Knock it off. This story exposes one of the absolute worst war crimes I've ever heard of and your reaction is to bash our WWII heroes?
I'm curious about YOUR term of service to our country in the military. What branch was it in and for how long?
Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathiser meaning you can't believe anything he said.
He was a Nazi sympathiser. Thought Hitler was fine and dandy and killing of the jews was hunky dory.
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