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The New New World Order
Foreign Affairs ^ | March/April 2007 | Daniel W. Drezner

Posted on 03/04/2007 12:35:05 AM PST by Lorianne

Summary: Controversies over the war in Iraq and U.S. unilateralism have overshadowed a more pragmatic and multilateral component of the Bush administration's grand strategy: its attempt to reconfigure U.S. foreign policy and international institutions in order to account for shifts in the global distribution of power and the emergence of states such as China and India. This unheralded move is well intentioned and well advised, and Washington should redouble its efforts.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; china; easia; eastasia; emergingsuperpowers; hyperpower; india; neasia; northeastasia; prc; sasia; southasia; superpower; superpowers
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1 posted on 03/04/2007 12:35:07 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Americans ought to have more babies (and not abort) them, if this country expects to remain as the number one secular superpower a century from now. A country of 300 million simply does not have the potential of a country of 1.3 billion (the PRC) and 1.1 billion (India), though India is hampered by smaller land area and less resources.



Enlarged United States of America.

2 posted on 03/04/2007 12:49:44 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"But European states have been less willing to reduce their overrepresentation in multilateral institutions."

Europe definitely should not have three (or two if you exclude Russia) permanent seats on the UN Security Council. And Germany definitely should not get an additional seat. The EU can have one seat, and the remaining one can go to India (so still five permanent seats).

Some EUers act as though the EU is a country when it fits their purposes (such as gloating that the EU has a larger GDP and population than the United States), and yet want to be considered separately in international organizations--wanting their cake and eating it, too.

This is sort of EU bashing--sorry EU freepers.

3 posted on 03/04/2007 1:28:04 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"A coalition of the skeptical, which includes states such as Argentina, Nigeria, and Pakistan, will make it difficult for the United States to engineer the orderly inclusion of India and China in the concert of great powers."

Have an inclusion of India and China and a dissolution of Europe and Japan (and the wannabes of Russia and Brazil, of course). This is simply based on fairness--it would be more useful for the United States to include the relatively allies which are Europe (minus Russia, Belarus, etc.) and Japan, while continuing to exclude Communist China and Socialist India.

4 posted on 03/04/2007 1:33:36 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
Great article.

Sorry if posting so much on one thread is a break of netiquette.

5 posted on 03/04/2007 1:34:28 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"Today, the distribution of power in the world is very different. According to Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank, by 2010, the annual growth in combined national income from Brazil, Russia, India, and China -- the so-called BRIC countries -- will be greater than that from the United States, Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, and Italy combined; by 2025, it will be twice that of the G-7 (the group of highly industrialized countries)."

Zounds.

6 posted on 03/04/2007 1:36:43 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"Heading into the new millennium, the fastest-growing economies in the world were nursing grudges toward the United States."

Much of the world, including Europe and Latin America, nurse grudges against the United States--it comes with being a superpower that is viewed as a former colony by one group (Europe) and as what should be a peer by the other (Latin America/Canada).

7 posted on 03/04/2007 1:40:04 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
That's ok they righteously deserved it. I think the US always backed Europeans on the Security Council was because we thought we could count on them to vote the right way. Not so any longer, we'd probably be better off with India.
8 posted on 03/04/2007 2:15:34 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
...Though India is hampered by smaller land area and less resources.

Nonsense. Are you aware that India has the largest amount of arable land in the world? Technically, India's landmass can support more people than China's. Or even that of America.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 2:16:11 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Sure we do. I live in China and I can tell you that the PRC military can not project power from one border to another within it's own country much less to another country that is of any significant distance away. Their only two aces in the hole are; 1. hope (pray if communists do that)that an adversary is dumb enough to invade them. 2. play the nuclear card. That's it. Their ability to project conventional military power in the manner that the U.S. can do is nonexistent.
10 posted on 03/04/2007 2:24:26 AM PST by snoringbear
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To: CarrotAndStick
What's your source?

The Ganges river basin is fertile--but the most fertile is the basin between the Yangtze and Hu Rivers in China. Though less fertile, the Mississippi River Basin is also fairly fertile. The thing is, is that the Chinese and American basins are huge, India's is not. The most arable region is the northern European plain--but Europe isn't a country. Furthermore, India's Deccan takes up a large part of the country. So to does the Mojave Desert and the Rocky Mountains in the USA you might add. And in that case, it could again be brought up that the United States and China (which has the Gobi Desert and the Himalayas) are larger than India, and that their fertile regions are capable of producing more food.

Also, though your map doesn't specifically state so, it seem to be measuring the percentage of the arable land. 40% of India (1.3 million sq. km) (if the map is accurate--40% is very, very high) is not 19% of the USA (1.8 million square km), or 14% of China (1.3 million sq. km). This is if the amount of arable Indian land is 40% (the range is 40+%), and if China is 14% (although both India and China are about 1.3 million sq. km, China's amount is higher). The United States has more arable land even if it is only 15%.

See that the map is from Wikipedia, ostensibly from the CIA factbook.

This seems to be another case of Indians not accepting that their country isn't number one at everything. Yes, there are many Americans who have the same view about the United States, including many freepers, but many Americans, and many freepers, recognize that the United States is not perfect (simply number 1 out of many imperfect countries).

India has a lot going for it. Land area isn't one of them.

11 posted on 03/04/2007 2:39:53 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: CarrotAndStick
What's your source?

The Ganges river basin is fertile--but the most fertile is the basin between the Yangtze and Hu Rivers in China. Though less fertile, the Mississippi River Basin is also fairly fertile. The thing is, is that the Chinese and American basins are huge, India's is not. The most arable region is the northern European plain--but Europe isn't a country. Furthermore, India's Deccan takes up a large part of the country. So to does the Mojave Desert and the Rocky Mountains in the USA you might add. And in that case, it could again be brought up that the United States and China (which has the Gobi Desert and the Himalayas) are larger than India, and that their fertile regions are capable of producing more food.

Also, though your map doesn't specifically state so, it seem to be measuring the percentage of the arable land. 40% of India (1.3 million sq. km) (if the map is accurate--40% is very, very high) is not 19% of the USA (1.8 million square km), or 14% of China (1.3 million sq. km). This is if the amount of arable Indian land is 40% (the range is 40+%), and if China is 14% (although both India and China are about 1.3 million sq. km, China's amount is higher). The United States has more arable land even if it is only 15%.*

See that the map is from Wikipedia, ostensibly from the CIA factbook.

This seems to be another case of Indians not accepting that their country isn't number one at everything. Yes, there are many Americans who have the same view about the United States, including many freepers, but many Americans, and many freepers, recognize that the United States is not perfect (simply number 1 out of many imperfect countries).

India has a lot going for it. Land area isn't one of them.



*Country land area sizes taken from Wikipedia. For India and China, the land area of the territory that they administer was used, not the territories that they believe are theirs (which would largely be Himalayan--see practically nonarable--land).

12 posted on 03/04/2007 2:45:58 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Should have looked at the preview before posting--and then reconfiguring the picture.


13 posted on 03/04/2007 2:52:54 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu


India
arable land: 48.83%
permanent crops: 2.8%
other: 48.37% (2005)


China arable land: 14.86%
permanent crops: 1.27%
other: 83.87% (2005)

United States arable land: 18.01%
permanent crops: 0.21%
other: 81.78% (2005)

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2097.html

'Nuff said.


14 posted on 03/04/2007 2:53:00 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Account for the fact that large portions of Chinese and American arable lands are not cultivable to a large extent in the winters. In India, the winters are milder, and the summers are favourable to crop growth.


15 posted on 03/04/2007 2:57:05 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Lorianne
Also pertinent:
BRIC Countries + the EU.
This link isn't posted as much as the Enlarged USA one, so it can be posted by itself.

16 posted on 03/04/2007 2:59:10 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: CarrotAndStick
You have a point about winters in China and the United States. However, Indian agriculture is also largely dependent on the Monsoon season, which according to uncited sources on Wikipedia make 80% of Indian rainfall (note: did not personally add to that page, and have typed uncited out of fairness).

Also to be taken into account is that a lot of arable land in all three countries is covered by cities.

17 posted on 03/04/2007 3:32:17 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"Although European countries are still significant, their economic and demographic growth does not match that of either the emerging powers or the United States."

The American demographic growth is too small--and its economic growth could be higher, too. Revalue the yuan.

18 posted on 03/04/2007 3:34:20 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Lorianne
"But if the EU moves toward a common policy on foreign affairs and security, it will be worth asking why Brussels deserves 25 voices when the 50 states comprising the United States get only one."

Big bump to that. Though, in fairness, most of the 50 states have much smaller populations that European countries. As for economies, Germany and the UK still beat the largest state economy--California's, but they also have around 3 to 2 times the population.

19 posted on 03/04/2007 3:36:58 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I remember seeing a Nat Geo infografix once, with India and the US, together with some portions of Europe and Japan, listed as having enough water resources for good amounts of permanent agriculture...China's water resource was mentioned as 'barely adequate'. I'll fish it out in a moment if I find it...meanwhile...


20 posted on 03/04/2007 3:41:18 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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