[Luke21]

You are clear thinking and level headed, and as I see it, those of us who see the upcoming GOP apocalypse can only make our points as decently and reasonably as possible. Sometimes the condescension and overbearing nature of the Rudy folks can make us retaliate. I've gotten ticked off a couple of times.

But when I can, I'm trying to engage them. We old timers have watched the party do stupid things again and again. This one will make the Dole nomination look successful. There is no way a conservative party can trust a fellow who is feckless towards his own wife, has opposing views on major issues, and says "Trust me" on judicial nominations, after nominating Democrats during his tenure in NY. But talking to the Rudy people is like telling a kid there's no Santa Claus.

This is a bald headed guy who speaks with a lisp and has every MSM outlet telling us he's invincible. They told us Dole was electable too. The car is headed for the cliff. A divided party cannot reach out to much of anything, and you can bet the Democrats would NEVER nominate somebody who was seventy percent with us. What a deal this is for them. They get their way no matter who wins.

It's absolute foolishness to run a race between two parties believing the exact same thing on a majority of issues.. But then, it won't be the first time, nor the last. As soon as Rudy loses, they'll blame us again and want to move back to the middle for another beating.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"This is a bald headed guy who speaks with a lisp"

So, should we be basing our opinion on whether or not our candidate is a silver tongued devil with a great head of hair?

Not that I disagree with you about Giuliani, understand.

Michael Frazier

[epow]

As soon as Rudy loses, they'll blame us again and want to move back to the middle for another beating.

Unfortunately I have to agree.

There seems to be no reasoning with people who appear to feel that they're on a mission from God. But I'm afraid that if their mission was instigated by a spiritual being, he is definitely NOT that divine spiritual Being who has so far protected America and it's people from the fate of all preceding great nations which are now either relatively insignificant players on the world stage or just footnotes in history.

Perhaps it's already too late for a return to America's Christian roots. After 34 years of the American Holocaust and 48 million innocent humans legally killed before or during birth, God's seemingly boundless patience with our unrepentant flaunting of His laws and precepts has no doubt worn very thin.

[epow]

and you can bet the Democrats would NEVER nominate somebody who was seventy percent with us. What a deal this is for them. They get their way no matter who wins.

Exactly. And for those who pause long enough to think about it, there is no mystery about why the MSM is pushing Giuliani so relentlessly. Just as you said, if he is the GOP nominee the other side wins no matter how the election turns out.

What a deal for the liberals this election will be if the polls are accurate and continue to go as they are now. The only comparable situation that I can imagine would be if the GOP were to nominate someone similar to Reagan and the Democrats were to nominate Zell Miller.