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Columbus Day Under Fire (to be replaced by "Indigenous Day")
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | March 3, 2007 | Journal Staff

Posted on 03/03/2007 4:29:59 PM PST by CedarDave

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To: Army Air Corps
Well, according to the verbal histories of some of my ancestors; we killed the people who were here before we came across from Siberia.

America, a nation of emigrants for 10,000 years and counting.
41 posted on 03/03/2007 6:14:34 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: CedarDave

I suppose "Aboriginal Day" would be politically incorrect. Whatever. We could, of course, celebrate them both. There are some wrinkles to be ironed out - I can wear a goofy green bowler on St. Paddy's Day when I'm getting sozzled but I bet they'd get ticked off if I wore a war bonnet on Aboriginal Day. Some folks got no sensayuma.


42 posted on 03/03/2007 6:23:40 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

While we're at it, let's change the names of Columbus Ohio, Georgia, New Mexico and elsewhere to Indigenous Ohio, Georgia, etc.


43 posted on 03/03/2007 6:29:46 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: SkyDancer

Hmmm....this sounds like folk etymology to me. I've seen some old maps -- dang, I don't know if I still have the book or not -- I'll have to look for it -- anyway, instead of "America," the map says "Nova India" -- Latin for "New India."

In Deos -- Hmmm....in Latin this would be gods, accusative plural rather than In Deis, ablative plural. In plus accusative is "into," compared to in plus ablative, which is "in."


44 posted on 03/03/2007 7:04:03 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Crazy Horse was one cool dude.


45 posted on 03/03/2007 7:13:07 PM PST by chalkfarmer
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To: CedarDave

***Well they were very much more successful in eliminating illegal aliens in New Mexico. From 1680 to 1692 the "Pueblo Revolt" succeeded in forcing all Spaniards from Mexico back south to El Paso.***

The Spaniards didn't stay gone for long though! In 1692 they came back.


46 posted on 03/03/2007 7:16:02 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Diversity ain't it great! Let's continually pick scabs, Find and accentuate ALL that divides us and then wonder why we "can't just all get along". Good thing the evil white men thought enough to have the second amendment because we going to need it before long.

Bosnia, It's not just for Europe anymore!


48 posted on 03/03/2007 7:25:45 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I know, was trying post a humorous answer to the question.

49 posted on 03/03/2007 8:05:39 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: scrabblehack

Whatever ... it still is the fact that India was referred to as Hindustan in the 1400's ... my Latin is not up to your expertise ... but what Columbus conveyed to his sponsors was that the locals were "in god" or indeos ... however that translates out ..... as Indian ... today ...


50 posted on 03/03/2007 8:14:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: CedarDave

Well, I know that but ya gotta admit, that was no mean accomplishment.


51 posted on 03/03/2007 9:10:40 PM PST by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

NEW Mexico is not part of the United States according to some high ranking guy in the Clinton administaration.


52 posted on 03/03/2007 9:43:12 PM PST by oldbill
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To: TonyRo76; Bringbackthedraft
"The Norse were here before him but there was nothing worth stealing to make them stay."

Ericson may have arrived first, but Columbus was the first one savvy enough to go back home and hold a press conference about it.

Riddle me this. Native Americans blame Columbus for killing most of them. I understand Old World diseases were the actual agents of death. If so, why didn't these diseases spread during the Viking explorations? Or maybe they did? Maybe the Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes should take the rap?

53 posted on 03/03/2007 10:10:13 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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"Columbus never discovered America 1st because it was occupied when he landed here."

There's this little thing called context.

I've heard this argument before. It's silly. No one ever claimed he discovered it for the people who were already here, that wouldn't make sense. Nor does it make sense to say the continent was discovered by the indians other than to say the indians saw the obvious, they were here. Discovery is about getting new information to to people who don't have it by someone who discovers it. He discovered America and the West Indies for the Europeans who didn't know there was a landmass (or people) between Europe and Asia. Initially, they thought this was Asia and later figured out that they had farther to go. But as the Europeans were concerned, he did discover it, the natives who lived here included.

Context.

54 posted on 03/03/2007 10:26:02 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: SkyDancer
every Indian I met prefers to be called by their tribal name of which there are over 30 in the US alone ....

Well I would rather be called conquerer, but that is just me...I hope this is not really needed but just in case </Sarcasm>

55 posted on 03/03/2007 10:38:05 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: CedarDave
Sounds to me like this is an assault upon the history and heritage of Italian Americans. What next, portraying them as the pioneers of organized crime?
56 posted on 03/03/2007 10:51:19 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Dems and RINOs: Too stupid 2 lead, too vain 2 follow, too egotistical 2 get the hell out of the way!)
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To: CedarDave

JFC


57 posted on 03/03/2007 11:01:07 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: SkyDancer

Here's a map made several decades before Columbus:

http://camel2.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/relstudies/290/theory/worldmaps/166.html

which has "India" on the map, as well as the Indus River.



58 posted on 03/04/2007 3:20:23 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Jeff Head

"Although it was not easy, I will grant you that given the technological and social differences, it was inevitable."

I guess it's a matter of perspective. The wars did go on for a long time. But, there doesn't seem to have ever been doubt about pressing on. The losses were tolerable, (different time, different sensiblities, stronger people). And it wasn't continuous. The Indians were driven back and their land was slowly encroached upon. The new Americans could have stopped and drawn the line anytime they wanted.

If Democrats had been part of the settlers, I doubt America's western border would be any farther than Ohio.


59 posted on 03/04/2007 7:29:39 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan
If Democrats had been part of the settlers, I doubt America's western border would be any farther than Ohio.

I agree...but will go even one further. If today's Democrats and many other Americans had been part of the settlers, it is dounbtful in my mind that the colonies would have survived at all. They would have gone back to their "known" problems in Europe rather than risk all to eak out a future in the New World with all of its harships.

60 posted on 03/04/2007 8:42:03 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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