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State Makes Big Fuss Over Local Couple's Vegetable Oil Car Fuel (Told To Pay Taxes on Fuel or Else)
Heald Review ^ | 3/1/2007 | HUEY FREEMAN

Posted on 03/03/2007 11:14:08 AM PST by Dallas59

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To: Dallas59
So they arbitrarily decided that this guy fell under a law that he quite clearly didn't so they could tax him.

Sounds like someone broke the law but it wasn't Mr. Wetzel.

41 posted on 03/03/2007 11:43:00 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: mrsmith
The motor fuel taxes pay for the roads. Cars using vegetable oil fuel (or whatever) have to pay for the roads they drive on. How unfair lol!

What about bicycles? They use the roads too. Maybe a sweat tax?

42 posted on 03/03/2007 11:43:18 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dallas59

I wondered when this was coming....

The one class of entities that profits the MOST from fuel use by motorists, is the various levels of government. There shall never be a suitable substitute power source, until the taxes may be applied to the purchase of that energy supply, at the point of sale. This goes for ethanol, hydrogen, compressed natural gas, powdered coal, or even a charge on the battery of an electric automobile.

For pure economy, a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle would make considerable sense. But there are no road taxes paid on that electricity used to charge the batteries overnight, making the vehicle independent of the burning of motor fuel.

No fuel taxes collected = no slush fund available at the state and Federal level for roadway construction, funding of other transportation infrastructure, or buying influence.

In a word, much less money for pork barrel projects, at least not from that source. Highway fuel tax "trust funds" have always been kept segregated from general funds (unlike Social Security), but carefully planned and staged raids on these funds, for projects that really have very little to do with motor vehicle roadways and streets, have become more and more successful over the years. Think of the funding of "light rail" which does zilch for replenishing the fuel tax revenue fund. When more highways are built, at least people drive more, and in the process, consume more fuel, thus generating still more revenues. Or so-called "bridges to nowhere", that benefit perhaps a few hundred individuals, but cannot, ever, be justified as making the infrastructure work to repay its own cost of construction and maintenance.

When you think about energy sources, think first of how the government at all levels can get their cut. That explains about 90% of the law dealing with growth and development.

You are allowed to leave behind an enormous carbon footprint, if you just pay the fees up front. Just ask Al Gore how that is done.


43 posted on 03/03/2007 11:44:00 AM PST by alloysteel (If you cannot bring yourself to condemn someone, at least make the praise as faint as possible.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Don't give the Commiecrats any ideas.


44 posted on 03/03/2007 11:44:36 AM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Dallas59
I bet they are lefties. Lefties love forms, rules, regulations, agencies, enforcement, fines, fees and taxes. If it is good for Mr. Capitalist, it's good for Mr. Crunchy-Granola.
45 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:05 AM PST by Leisler (REAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WALK.)
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To: Man50D
Out of sight out of mind so the consumer never knows they exist. This is exactly what all levels of government hope to achieve. Taxpayers would overwhelm their politicians demanding a change if they aware of these taxes. Instead no one is the wiser and the sheep unwittingly keep paying.

You nailed that one good.

Delaware brags about being the "HOme of Tax Free Shopping" because of a lack of a sales tax. However, there is another tax called the gross receipts tax, which is exactly what the name implies, a tax on a business's gross, in addition to all the other taxes it pays. Supermarket's are particularly susceptible to it because of high volume. I never really paid that much attention to until I moved to Virginia, where we pay sales tax on our groceries. I shop in the same chain supermarket I did in Delaware, but even after the sales tax my grocery bill is less because product prices are lower.

46 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:52 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: coydog

"There's a lesson here. If you're running your car on used cooking oil, shut up about it."

I know of some country hippies that quietly brew their own bio-diesel and tell no one.


47 posted on 03/03/2007 11:48:39 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Grand-dad use to run shine here and would pour some in his 42 Dodge PU,,said it kept the motor clean and gave it alittle boost..tasted good,, too


48 posted on 03/03/2007 11:50:40 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: patton
""Government is not the solution...Government is the problem.""

The solution is the 2nd amendment which is why the JBTs have been eroding the rights contained therein

49 posted on 03/03/2007 11:54:51 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Islam is the result of puss and maggot poop for brains.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Brew your own and keep it quiet.

That's what the govt teaches us.


50 posted on 03/03/2007 11:55:57 AM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: all the best

"it's a free country".

Yeah, but that's all over now. I miss it too.


51 posted on 03/03/2007 11:57:28 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Molon labe)
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To: Gabz
I never really paid that much attention to until I moved to Virginia, where we pay sales tax on our groceries. I shop in the same chain supermarket I did in Delaware, but even after the sales tax my grocery bill is less because product prices are lower.

You may be interested to know there is a bill before Congress called The Fair Tax Act(H.R.25) that would replace all federal income taxes with a consumption tax. It would eliminate all hidden taxes. Visit the Americans For Fair Taxation website for more information.
52 posted on 03/03/2007 12:00:05 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: coydog
There's a lesson here. If you're running your car on used cooking oil, shut up about it.

Ding! Ding! That's exactly what I thought! Now, if I only knew how to run my car on cooking fuel...

53 posted on 03/03/2007 12:02:46 PM PST by Mad-Margaret
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To: Yo-Yo
I don't say they should pay no taxes but I totally disagree with the heavy-handed way the state has handled them. And what about the electric car owners? Sounds to me like the family was ready to pay their fair share but the state tried to force fit them into a regulatory model that was inappropriate. Now it has turned into time for civil disobediance. When they try to tie you up with red tape, note well that it could be double-sided sticky tape.
54 posted on 03/03/2007 12:04:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: NonValueAdded

We agree, then. See post #3.


55 posted on 03/03/2007 12:07:37 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Condor 63
...."Sounds like BS to me."....

It's no joke. The gubmint requires motor vehicles to pay tax, no matter how they get down the road. When people switched cars and trucks to Propane in the 70's, they had to pay a $75 fuel tax and display the sticker on their windshield in Texas. When you drove your car to the propane dealer, he had to check that you paid the tax or no fill up. Many people took 20 gal tanks in their trunks to fill and then transfered them to their other vehicle to avoid the tax. Propane eventually was MORE expensive than gasoline to take the benefit away.

If you look back at some of my posts from years ago about switching to ethanol vehicles, the main reason we hadn't done it years ago was not that it wasn't possible, but that you might make a few gallons behind the shed and have a sip without paying the tax. E-85 became the answer. They had to poison it somehow to keep the people from drinking without paying tax. You don't need to mix it with anything for it to work fine. But a shot with Coke is pretty good. I guarantee you that if enough vehicles start to show up with nothing but batteries, or H2, they will invent a road tax sticker for you to buy to get you plates and safety sticker.

Just as a hypothetical, if all vehicles started to get 100mpg or more, the gas tax would go to $1 a gallon instead of 39 cents. The government likes vehicles to get 10mpg for the tax revenue. They have no reason to push for higher mpg or alternative fuels. It would be like a home builder saying he thinks we should be forced to live in trailers. What's in it for him? The government is not our friend. It is in direct competition with business for our money. If private enterprise comes up with a way to take money from the government share, they tax it more.

56 posted on 03/03/2007 12:09:14 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Good afternoon.
"Then those of us that grow our own food and/or have livestock will be forced to turn over our food to the state for distribution amongst the proletariat."

There you have the reason the Left hates and fears the 2nd Amendment.

Michael Frazier
57 posted on 03/03/2007 12:10:08 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: all the best
When I was a kid we would often say "it's a free country". That was obviously a long, long time ago.

When was the last time you actually heard that comment not in jest?

58 posted on 03/03/2007 12:14:02 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Farmer Dean
The new state motto should read "Let nothing of value go untaxed."

Fixed it for you.

59 posted on 03/03/2007 12:14:23 PM PST by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: umgud
Good afternoon.

Agents May and Egan must not have read "Unintended Consequences".

Michael Frazier
60 posted on 03/03/2007 12:15:08 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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