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State Makes Big Fuss Over Local Couple's Vegetable Oil Car Fuel (Told To Pay Taxes on Fuel or Else)
Heald Review ^ | 3/1/2007 | HUEY FREEMAN

Posted on 03/03/2007 11:14:08 AM PST by Dallas59

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To: Hot Tabasco
At $6.19 for 64 Ozs, where is the savings?

You can use it a few times first, before putting it into the vehicle.......LOL!

81 posted on 03/03/2007 1:11:04 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I used to pay quarterly, being self employed, so I know exactly what you are talking about....

Good for you for convincing your friend!!!!


82 posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:00 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Dallas59

What if he were using solar panels?


83 posted on 03/03/2007 1:16:54 PM PST by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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To: Yo-Yo
I can see the state's point of view, the motor fuel tax is what pays for road maintenance

No, it is stolen by the feds and the states and used for buses and rail systems. A very small percentage of it is used for the purpose for which it is collected.

In California the sales tax windfall because of the high price of gasoline has been put into the general fund. For politicians to use as they see fit.

Dennis Miller has the same attitude I do. We will not get serious about "green" cars, fuel etc until all the oil is gone.

So I am doing as he is, driving my SUV as much as possible to use up the oil. It's the least I can do for the "climate" problem that Gore has created. Or is it invented?

84 posted on 03/03/2007 1:18:53 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Dallas59
>>He's an example of ingenuity. Instead of being whacked on the head, he should be encouraged."
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In Illinois, a near-socialist state with an insatiable appetite for money, has no department of ingenuity encouragement. They only have a department of revenue. So, of course, they are willing to spend several hundred dollars in personnel time and expenses to collect two hundred dollars in taxes.

If it was the IRS, sending two guys would have meant they were armed agents of their Criminal division.

If, somehow, Wally-World figured a customer owed them $200, how would they effect collection? Sending two well paid agents on a road trip in a state vehicle, or just turn it over to a collection agency?
85 posted on 03/03/2007 1:27:54 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Dallas59
I got about half way through this article before jumping back to the top to see if it was from Scrapple Face. This is just plain insane. Whoever sent the goon squad to this poor guys house should be immediately fired and bared from public office forever!
86 posted on 03/03/2007 1:33:26 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Back in the 70s/80s, I met several elderly folks with stories about FDR's agents coming out to their farms during the Depression to oversee the slaughter of *excess* hogs, so the retail price could rise.

Meanwhile, in the cities at the same time, envy of farmers was engendered by saying:"Well, at least _they_ have food."

It can happen again.


87 posted on 03/03/2007 1:43:07 PM PST by reformedliberal (If the troops are mostly home by November 2008, how will the Dems disenfranchise them, this time?)
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To: Yo-Yo
Not really. Here in Michigan, and I'm sure in other states as well, you can buy fuel for farm use and you don't pay the excise tax for road maintenance on it.

Yeah, Wisconsin has that arrangement also but see if this makes sense to you.

I heat my home with oil, The oil that is delivered to my tank is #2 Diesel, dyed red to indicate it is not to be used as motor fuel. The State/Fed tax on Diesel is about $0.42 per gallon. So in theory I should be able to get heating oil at Diesel pump price less some $0.42 per gallon, no?

In fact my supplier charges MORE then "pump price" including the road tax! I checked with various suppliers and there all charging more or less the same (within a penny).

I asked "What gives" and the mumbled answer was something about "special handling and storage charges".

I'd be better off loading a couple fifty gallon drums into a trailer, driving out to I94 and filling up at the truck stop. Some years back it was going the other way with people using heating oil at $0.17/gallon to fuel their Diesel cars. I'm afraid those days are gone forever.

Regards,
GtG

88 posted on 03/03/2007 2:22:17 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Yo-Yo

About a year ago the State Patrol went to a large nearby stockyard and told farmers they was going to check their fuel for dye in their pickups and other trucks. Quite a few got nabbed for using non road diesel.

Of course while the State was harassing hard working farmers on the interstate in front of the Stockyards more illegal drugs and aliens went past our good government employees without worry from our law enforcement.


89 posted on 03/03/2007 3:04:32 PM PST by Swiss
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To: Dallas59

IL dept of revenue sent me a demand letter stating I owed zero dollars and zero cents and threatened to size my assets salary and God knows what else if I didn't pay it. They claimed I was past due on my $0.00 ...................

Took a while to sort it out.......


90 posted on 03/03/2007 3:12:12 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Dallas59

Welcome to the brave new world...

HHC's husband.


91 posted on 03/03/2007 3:15:27 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Dallas59; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; Americanwolf; ..
Good read.





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92 posted on 03/03/2007 4:32:01 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Dallas59

You can not and should not argue with stupid people.....


93 posted on 03/03/2007 4:41:06 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (12 TH GENERATION PATRIOT.)
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To: Dallas59
This is a defining moment in government capability. Be in awe.

Suppose you are a bureaucrat. From what sources do your cronies and defacto dependents get handouts, subsidies, and pork? The average dumb (and productive) taxpayer, of course.

Problem: what do you do when the source of those subsidies is challenged? Like, say, someone daring to not buy enough highly taxed gas (with perhaps 15% of this revenue going towards road infrastructure, the rest being spent to prop up money-hemorrhaging government and well-connected private boondoggles that run the gamut from entitlement entities to recipients of dollar-devaluing corporate welfare in the form of favorable loans)? How do you keep the wheels larded for the next cycle? How do you pay for all those votes that have to be bought?

Answer: find a way to tax us ignorant bastards to make sure said cronies get a good return on their investment (using a competitive advantage available only at gunpoint), and said government bottom-feeders keep getting rewarded for no other reason than the fact that they vote for you (if only to keep the handouts going). Because of the parlor trick known as differential revenue sourcing, it even makes fiscal sense to spend $2000 to conduct an investigation in order to obtain $200 in revenue. It isn't your money anyway, so who cares!

Face it, there is no escape from the reality of being taxed effectively 50% of your income once you track the route taken by the dollars - and that percent is only going up with time. Most of that is spent just to drag around worthless carcasses. A pathetic state of affairs. And then there are FAGGOTS like John Edwards who openly advocate raising taxes to forward more money from the productive to the pockets of special interests.

94 posted on 03/03/2007 6:13:54 PM PST by M203M4 (What others can wound, only socialism can destroy.)
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To: Yo-Yo

This is an outrage. The couple are doing something that anybody can do, legally. The state didn't foresee the facts of biodiesels and the source of their revenues. Too bad for the State. You cannot make Ex Post Facto laws to retrieve what you didn't get because of your ignorance..........If they want revenues from biodiesels, then change the laws accordingly........


95 posted on 03/03/2007 6:46:41 PM PST by Red Badger (Britney Spears shaved her head............Well, that's one way of getting rid of headlice.........)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Worthy of a Nanny State Ping?

Hardly. This should be a NINNY STATE PING!........


96 posted on 03/03/2007 6:52:41 PM PST by Red Badger (Britney Spears shaved her head............Well, that's one way of getting rid of headlice.........)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"...or have livestock..."

Thats already afoot, remember NAIS?

97 posted on 03/03/2007 11:09:34 PM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: Man50D
Our current tax code imposes taxes at each stage of production.
No it doesn't. You can produce untill you're blue in the face and never pay tax. You might however have to pay taxes if you make a profit from a sale

I guess you could say we actually have a sales tax.

98 posted on 03/03/2007 11:58:46 PM PST by lewislynn (I hope Obama, Osama,Obama, Osama,Obama, Osama enjoys his 10 minutes of fame.)
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To: mrsmith
The state should have a reasonable regulatory scheme for people who just acquire/produce alternative fuels for their own use however.

The state does have a scheme; the details are listed in the article. It's just not set up for the real world, so it looks ugly when applied.

But, it wasn't until I got to the end of the article that it explained why the revenooers had picked these people out as an example:

David Wetzel, who has been exhibiting his car at energy fairs and universities

If your intent is to publicize a cause, expect that all the paperwork has to be filed. Even if that is not your primary intent.

99 posted on 03/04/2007 1:34:25 AM PST by Bernard (Immigration should be rare, safe and legal.)
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To: Dallas59
"They showed me their badges and said they were from the Illinois Department of Revenue," Wetzel said. "I said, 'Come in.' Maybe I shouldn't have."

Unless you have called them one should never ever allow an Agent of the State to enter your home without a duly constituted warrant signed by a Magistrate.

Ever.

They are not your friends.

They are not their to help you.

L

100 posted on 03/04/2007 2:03:15 AM PST by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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