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America: you’ll miss it when it’s gone
The Spectator ^ | March 3, 2007 | Irwin Seltzer

Posted on 03/02/2007 12:47:37 PM PST by Parmenio

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To: nina0113

And just prior to bulldozing it into the river.


21 posted on 03/02/2007 1:10:17 PM PST by PfromHoGro (Feingold's bumper sticker: "I closed Western Civ.")
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To: P from Sheb
And just prior to bulldozing it into the river

To make space for a gun shop!

;-)

22 posted on 03/02/2007 1:12:22 PM PST by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: Parmenio

I agree with everything except wanting to stay with the UN.

Europe needs a lesson that will make them stand up for something again, such as European culture. It's been too long.


23 posted on 03/02/2007 1:12:27 PM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: TChris

"We'll protect innocent people wherever possible, because that's what we do."

In the EU, I don't see many innocents anymore, I see collaborators if not outright traitors.


24 posted on 03/02/2007 1:13:22 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: Parmenio

The majority of Americans are not sophisticated enough to understand let alone see, the impotence of the UN. They are suckers too easily manipulated emotionally to consider not throwing our money in black holes like African AIDS concerns or strengthening Malaki's Palestinian Authority.

We are too brainwashed by green-communists to allow us to develop our own oil/coal resources. The major corporations will not stop selling our capital overseas and relocating all Software Engineering, manufacturing and fabrication to places like China and India.

Finally if by some miracle we woke up and were willing to do what it takes we'd be convinced by the MSM that we are morally wrong for protecting ourselves and becoming more self reliant.

People may say they want to isolate but they won't do what is necessary.


25 posted on 03/02/2007 1:13:29 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Peach
how America was headed toward socialism.

"Headed for?" I hate to break the news but any country which spends something over 60% of its budget on entitlements (think: Medicare, Medicaid, and welfare (both social AND corporate) is already socialist, even if not as much as others....and even if its people won't admit it. To not confess that America is, today, a socialist country, is "not just a river in Egypt...."

26 posted on 03/02/2007 1:15:40 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Ditto

Not really. Think about all the stupid people who believe in global warming and carbon credits.
And the latest is overweight credits. What next?


27 posted on 03/02/2007 1:18:01 PM PST by mulligan
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To: The Blitherer
I'll stand by Poland, Israel and those Eastern European countries that are breaking free from the yoke of Russia, but I'm about ready to tell the rest of the world to KMA.

What about Australia?

28 posted on 03/02/2007 1:18:49 PM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: EagleUSA

"There is NOTHING centrist about her"

Maybe the author meant "center-left" in the sense that she is self-centered first and that socialism comes in second.


29 posted on 03/02/2007 1:22:46 PM PST by faq
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To: Dundee
What about Australia?

OMG, you are absolutely right! Thank you for reminding me!

30 posted on 03/02/2007 1:27:26 PM PST by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: Parmenio; MadIvan
Thanks for posting this. I sent this vignette to Mad Ivan this morning on another thread (sorry if it seems like I'm patting myself on the back):

Thanks for posting this, Ivan. Hope this doesn't sound like a broken record, but a Democrat president following Bush could be disastrous for Europe, perhaps the world.

The Democrats have painted themselves into a corner on the use of military force. When the next flareup occurs, too many conservatives will remember how most of Europe abandoned us in Iraq, let alone actively thwarted our mission. I can see an American response, to wit: hey guys, we've carried the load for the last 60-70 years, and we don't have the cash with all these Baby Boomers retiring.

If Iraq wasn't important enough, I'll be hard pressed to come up with a bigger conflict that will unite America.

America is aging, and those that remembered the Great Depression, WW2, Korea, and the Cold War, are turning over the levers of power to those whose memories are bereft of those hazardous times.

When weeks of Congressional energy are spent on "nonbinding resolutions", the rest of the world needs to ask itself, "who's going to fight the bad guys?". Cagey wolves like China and Russia are licking their chops as they survey the menu for their next feast.

al Qaeda's probably trying to make a quick strike before Anna Nicole is planted in Bermuda. They have to figure that 80% of America is paying attention to that and American Idol.

As for myself, I've got March Madness to deal with (go Zags!). ;^)

I think I'll send Mr. Seltzer a little note/email. Thanks again for your thread!

31 posted on 03/02/2007 1:35:38 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: mulligan
What next?

Stupid Credits?

32 posted on 03/02/2007 1:36:25 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Parmenio
What ever happened to americas right wing..?..
They became invisible.. quite.. watching.. where are they?..
Republican officials are RINOS.. and cowards..

What happened to the America right wing.?.
The guys that want to circumcize the Federal government by at LEAST half..
Where did they go?..

33 posted on 03/02/2007 1:50:28 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Parmenio

Pesonally I am sick of the world. The anti-US garbage has been going on for decades and its now a full blown mental illness. We can take care of ourselves. Screw'em.


34 posted on 03/02/2007 2:02:47 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: lilylangtree

Let them try to pay for all the endless museums, parks, and cradle to the grave welfare and pensions without the US military providing all its military protection.


35 posted on 03/02/2007 2:19:09 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: I see my hands

The first message would be
For English, press 1, for Spanish ...


36 posted on 03/02/2007 2:21:54 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: hosepipe
Would you like a quick answer?

We opened our eyes to find out that there is no room for us in the "big tent". Have a gander at who the Republican front runners are in the presidential race. Whenever any of us publicly despair over the likely GOP nominee, we are quickly and rudely shouted down by the "win at any cost" liberal Republicans who seem to think that they are watching a football game and not supporting a candidate that will shape public and foreign policy for generations.

There looks to be ZERO hope of getting a conservative president in 2008. So what's to chat about? Core conservative values are made to seem "silly" in this day and age and frankly I tire of arguing.

It is deeply troubling.

SO don't think of it as "invisible" or "quiet". Think of it as "cowed".

APf
37 posted on 03/02/2007 2:22:25 PM PST by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: Parmenio

Very good article and an entirely possible future. Which is bad news for us Europeans but wholly deserved. It's remarkable that only two generations have passed and we have totally forgotten what WW2 did to Europe and how much we have the US to thank for. The EUs best hope is the start building up our defenses, and fast, and do everything possible to make sure Turkey don't slip down into muslim fundamentalism.

Me, I'd feel awful to abandon and desert my native country, but I think that I might soon have to throw myself on the mercy of the US and hope you will let me in to your great country.


38 posted on 03/02/2007 2:22:30 PM PST by SwedishConservative
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To: Parmenio

He should have also mentioned what the world would be like if the US didn't expend tremendous amounts of Carbon Dioxide and 'Green House Gases' to help stabilize the price of the fuel every economy on the planet runs on. It is a more serious situation on the other side of the globe in Asia where Australia, Taiwan, Japan and other Asian allies know what life would be like without the US defense shield. The next President should give Europe a taste of life without the US by abandoning the Balkans along with Iraq. Then Europe's Southern border will once again become a hot zone for Muslim and European conflict.


39 posted on 03/02/2007 2:44:29 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: mulligan

One of these days I'm gonna have to google up carbon footprint just to see what the hell that is.


40 posted on 03/02/2007 2:52:12 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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