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Constitutionality of state creationism resolution questioned
WATE(Knoxville) ^ | March 2, 2007 | AP

Posted on 03/02/2007 9:05:39 AM PST by eyedigress

NASHVILLE (AP) -- A state senator wants to know whether a colleague's questions to the state education commissioner about creationism are unconstitutional. Sen. Shea Flinn of Memphis has asked Attorney General Bob Cooper whether the request violates a provision in the Tennessee Constitution that bans religious tests for public office holders.

Sen. Raymond Finney of Maryville has sponsored a resolution to ask Education Commissioner Lana Seivers whether the universe has been created or has merely happened by what he called random, unplanned and purposeless occurrences.

Finney said he wants the department to say there's no scientific proof for the theory of evolution and to let schools teach creationism or intelligent design.


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: god; putuporshutup
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East TN vs. West TN, GOD vs Satan. This story may not get much attention but I wanted to let the Freepers know there are some lawmakers willing to confront the NEA.
1 posted on 03/02/2007 9:05:42 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress
I don't think we have the whole story, but this seems fine to me. The commissioner isn't applying for a job, but already has it, so I don't see how such a question can equate to a religious test for public office.

Finney said he wants the department to say there's no scientific proof for the theory of evolution

However, a certain person apparently needs to understand how science works before he makes himself look even more like an idiot.

2 posted on 03/02/2007 9:18:10 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: eyedigress
Finney said he wants the department to say there's no scientific proof for the theory of evolution and to let schools teach creationism or intelligent design.

Raymond Finney's 'argument':

There's no scientific proof for the theory of evolution [a false premise]; therefore, schools should be allowed to teach creationism or intelligent design [collections of dogma for which there really is no scientific proof].

It's often said that people get the politicians they deserve, but I'd hate to think that the people of Maryville, TN, deserve this guy...

3 posted on 03/02/2007 9:21:11 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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There's no scientific proof for the theory of evolution [a false premise]; therefore, schools should be allowed to teach creationism or intelligent design [collections of dogma for which there really is no scientific proof].

He wants proof of HUMAN evolution. If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes. All other species that did evolve from another creature, where are those creatures. I read this as a fact he wants the faith of creationism back in the classroom.

4 posted on 03/02/2007 9:32:12 AM PST by eyedigress
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If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes.

This is like asking, "If many Americans are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?"

5 posted on 03/02/2007 9:35:14 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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No it isn't. Europeans are Human last time I checked. (Socialist maybe, but still Human).


6 posted on 03/02/2007 9:43:32 AM PST by eyedigress
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K-12 has no need to teach C or E. Evolution doesn't come into use until college in the psych majors.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 9:46:03 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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I can agree with that. I was taught neither in the school system. The NEA are the ones who chose this fight.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 9:49:52 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Evolution is central to recent efforts to develop AI. I'll be one of those surprised if AI is developed anytime soon.


9 posted on 03/02/2007 9:52:49 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: eyedigress
He wants proof of HUMAN evolution. If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes. All other species that did evolve from another creature, where are those creatures. I read this as a fact he wants the faith of creationism back in the classroom.

To my knowledge, no biologist thinks that humans evolved from today's apes. The history of life on Earth appears to be like a branching tree, not a linear course of one species replacing another.

As for putting "faith of creationism back in the classroom", do you really favor religious indoctrination in the public education system? Would you want to give islamists equal time in the public classroom, too? How would you propose to exclude them if you allow Christian creationism in? Separation of church and state is not some sort of ill-considered whim of the Founders.

10 posted on 03/02/2007 9:54:14 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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If so then AI would be following what we know. Creationism only portends to Humans. Animals evolve. IMHO


11 posted on 03/02/2007 10:01:16 AM PST by eyedigress
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Post 7 by RightWhale sums it up. Do not teach what ye don't understand ye'self. Leave it to Philosophy and Pysch majors.

Give our children the three R's and stop confusing them.

12 posted on 03/02/2007 10:04:35 AM PST by eyedigress
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If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes.

If this is what passes for intelligent opposition, that's pretty bad. It only takes one sentence like this to show that you are attacking the Theory of Evolution without any meaningful understanding of it.
13 posted on 03/02/2007 10:04:45 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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It's the theory of Human evolution which I oppose. The THEORY amoung animals seems to ring true.


14 posted on 03/02/2007 10:09:48 AM PST by eyedigress
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It's the theory of Human evolution which I oppose. The THEORY amoung animals seems to ring true.

More likely its the implications of the theory of evolution that you oppose.

15 posted on 03/02/2007 10:14:14 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: eyedigress
Post 7 by RightWhale sums it up. Do not teach what ye don't understand ye'self. Leave it to Philosophy and Pysch majors.

Give our children the three R's and stop confusing them.

It's simply not the case that competent biologists and teachers of biology don't understand what they're talking about. Nor should Philosophy and Psychology departments be in charge of teaching evolution.

And the idea that no young person should be exposed to the best thinking currently available in biology is mistaken. Young people often have a natural curiosity about how things came to be as they currently are. Of course, evolution shouldn't be taught as absolute truth—no empirical science should be so taught—but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be taught at all.

16 posted on 03/02/2007 10:15:32 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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My point is that I don't think you understand human evolution if you were serious in asking, "If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes."


17 posted on 03/02/2007 10:17:41 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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My point is that I don't think you understand human evolution

I don't believe in Human evolution.

18 posted on 03/02/2007 10:22:32 AM PST by eyedigress
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I don't believe in Human evolution.

There's nothing wrong with that. My problem is that you characterize human evolution incorrectly and criticize it based on that. When you say something like, "If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes," it's clear you don't understand the theory. If you want to intelligently cricitize a theory that you disagree with, you first have to understand that theory. Not someone else's characterization of it, but the theory itself as propounded by those who understand and study it. You don't have to agree with it, but you do have to know it's major tenets.
19 posted on 03/02/2007 11:02:53 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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Please share the "tenants of HUMAN evolution".


http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v5i10f.htm


20 posted on 03/02/2007 11:17:32 AM PST by eyedigress
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