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To: don-o

I agree with over 90% of how Jim defines this site -- that's why I'm here. There are a couple of issues I disagree with, but that doesn't bother me at all, and Jim has never struck me as someone demanding 100% compliance.

I hope that Jim continues to defend those principles and maintains Free Republic as a site that fights for those principles. I believe the vast majority of Freepers agree with that.

But when it comes to party politics and elections, neither Jim nor any of us get to define the candidates, the parties, who runs or who doesn't. We all have a free choice to support candidates and we all have the right to vote (except for MadIvan) -- but we usually do not get to vote in November Leap Years for candidates who agree 90% or more with the above. In some states, like Maine, 50% is the best that is politically possible.

In 1980, we had a great campaigner who was also quite conservative. I was 100% behind Reagan. That summer I met GHWB on my campus (senior year) after he was nominated at VP. Had Free Republic existed then, my guess is Reagan would have been the overwhelming choice.

This cycle it is more difficult. We're not facing an unpopular Jimmy Carter. We've had instead eight years of an increasingly unpopular Republican President. The 'rats are gaining ground -- although their perfomance in Congress so far shows that they are not ready for prime time. Winning the White House next year will not be easy.

We need a good candidate. Rudy is by far the best known, most popular, most able to appeal to the whole country (especially independents), most respected among elected Republicans, and the least conservative. McCain is viewed as a weasel. Romney has several problems. Gingrich may not run, and he has a lot of baggage. The other candidates are mini-mees.

Some Freepers -- like me -- believe Rudy is the clear choice despite his liberal views on some issues because his promise to appoint originalist Justices mitigates his personal social views, because he has the best chance to win, and because of his track record in NYC on issues like taxes, crime, economic growth, etc. I also believe there isn't another candidate out there with anywhere near as good a chance at winning.

Other Freepers -- including our illustrious Founder and Owner -- believe on principle that supporting Rudy is unacceptable because of his positions on issues of deep concern such as abortion and gun rights are unacceptable. They doubt his pledge on Justices -- fair point -- and/or refuse to support him even if he would appoint originalists because he is just personally not what they want to see in 1600 PA Ave. After eight years of Bubba that is understandable.

What I think needs to be said is that sincere, honest differences over the better strategery -- oppose or support Rudy -- should not be confused with the basic mission statement of Free Republic. I believe electing Rudy is the best chance to advance those principles -- given our other, limited choices. Others disagree. But at least for me, with only limited choices I do not accept that voting for any candidate means I endorse all of his views. I don't. And I suspect most of the Rudy supporters do not accept all of his views either.

I support Jim 100% sticking by his guns on the mission of Free Republic, and I hope Howlin and other Freeper Warriors stick to their guns too. Candidates and politicians come and go -- principles are timeless.


1,139 posted on 03/02/2007 2:54:57 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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I hope Free Republic returns to the conservative principles that brought us here. I can't believe the juvenile reactions of the Giulianites. Criticizing their god is unthinkable. They react like liberals because they are liberals. Plain and simple.

Henceforth, I'm not going to get in the gutter with them. I am not going to answer any of them, or write anything provocative to them as individuals. But I am going to fight Giulianism with everything I've got, and try to take my party back from these Democrat clones. They can insult me until Hades freezes and I will not get into a back and forth with them.

Back in 1998, most of us on this website were unified by our hatred of Clinton. Most of us supported impeachment and backed W in both campaigns. Even after flirting with McCain (not me) most of us wore the big W in both elections. I have no use for Bush anymore, and have become severely disgusted. For this party to make a further leftward turn would be disastrous.

Last election we got clobbered. In my district, the moderates and the establishment GOP intentionally defeated their own nominee for an ACLU member and liberal Democrat. Now we have the same liberal wing telling us we can win if only we nominate a left wing candidate with severe personal baggage. If we sell our soul, what would we win?

JimRob and John have never insisted we agree on everything. And their willingness to accept discord and debate is amazing. I have always been well treated here. But the time to define and defend conservatism is at hand. "Vote for us or you'll get Hillary" is no platform. It's no ruling philosophy. It's as empty as the cult of personality supporting a city mayor with no national experience and no conservative philosophy. Roosevelt clobbered Wendell Willkie. Rudy will be cat food if we are stupid enough to nominate him.

He is a liberal with the morals of an alley cat. We used to oppose Bill Clinton for that pedigree.
1,179 posted on 03/02/2007 3:17:41 PM PST by Luke21
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To: You Dirty Rats

I want to commend and congratulate you for a well written and excellent statement of your point of view. I disagree with you quite thoroughly. But people here can learn from your civility. Well done and well stated.


1,180 posted on 03/02/2007 3:20:11 PM PST by Luke21
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