Posted on 03/01/2007 10:56:15 PM PST by George W. Bush
Politics
Draft questions cloud Giulianis chances
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WASHINGTON - If this presidential campaign is anything like the last, John McCains Vietnam service will inevitably be contrasted with GOP rival Rudy Giulianis avoidance of a war that he opposed.
Any suggestion that he was dodging the draft is totally, factually inaccurate, said a senior Giuliani campaign adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic. He opposed the war on tactical and strategic grounds.
But as far back as 1993, when he successfully ran for mayor of New York, Giuliani has been dogged by accusations that he pulled strings to avoid the draft. By contrast, McCain has long been feted as a bona fide war hero for his harrowing stint in a Vietnamese prison.
Anyone who dismisses the significance of Vietnam as a potential issue in the 2008 campaign is forgetting how surprisingly potent it proved in 2004, when there was enormous interest in the military records of both President Bush and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. Four years later, with the nation still at war, Americans likely are to again scrutinize the military records of those who seek the job of commander in chief.
Giuliani, who once said of the Vietnam war, I disagreed with it, obtained an occupational deferment in 1969, when he was a law clerk. Although critics say such deferments were rare, the Giuliani campaign disagrees.
He wanted an occupational deferment, which was very common at the time, because he wanted to be a lawyer, the Giuliani adviser said.
When Giulianis deferment expired in 1970, he drew draft number 308, which was never called. His campaign suggests this proves he was not a draft dodger.
This is an important point: After his deferment, his name was entered into the lottery at least once and he had a high number, the adviser said.
Related story: Giuliani Says He Would Have Gone to Vietnam
Still, Giuliani has always been politically sensitive to the issue. During his 1993 mayoral campaign, he commissioned a vulnerability study that listed draft dodger as one of the epithets that might be hurled against him.
In blunt language, the consultants who prepared the study articulated how adversaries might frame the issue.
Giuliani received special treatment from a friendly federal judge to avoid military service during the Vietnam war, when thousands of less fortunate people were dying, they wrote. Then, as a member of the Justice Department, he hypocritically prosecuted draft dodgers.
Mark Salter, McCains chief of staff, said he had no idea whether Giulianis deferment would become a presidential campaign issue.
Who knows? he told The Examiner. One assumes just about everything these days gets examined.
He added: I dont think McCain would want it to be an issue. I know that sort of suggests a false modesty, but I really dont.
The false modesty remark was an allusion to the Arizona senators extensive military background. The son and grandson of admirals, McCain graduated from the Naval Academy and served 22 years in the Navy, including five and a half as a prisoner of war in Hanoi.
Thus, if Vietnam becomes an issue in the 2008 campaign, McCain might find himself in the role that Kerry had hoped to play in 2004 unassailable war hero. That status eluded Kerry when his combat record was challenged by Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth, who also denounced the Democrat for accusing fellow Vietnam veterans of war crimes.
Giuliani, on the other hand who had a 2-to-1 advantage over McCain in an ABC poll of Republicans this week could find his record subjected to the sort of intense scrutiny that Bush experienced in 2004. Some of that scrutiny came from Kerry himself, who questioned whether Bush had fulfilled his stateside duties in the National Guard.
CBS News raised similar questions in a 60 Minutes broadcast that backfired because the network used documents that could not be authenticated. The ensuing scandal, known as Memogate, ended up inoculating Bush against further attacks on his military record.
Swift Boats co-founder John ONeill said the only reason Vietnam became a major issue in 2004 was that Kerry kept bringing it up.
I do think Kerry was a special case, ONeill said. Whatever Rudy Giuliani or the rest of these people did or didnt do in terms of the Vietnam War, I dont think thats a legitimate issue in the presidential campaign of 2008.
During an interview with The Examiner last fall, when he was mounting a second bid for the White House, Kerry said of the Swift Boat Veterans: Im prepared to kick their ass from one end of America to the other. But the senator from Massachusetts later dropped out of the race.
Kerry spokeswoman Amy Brundage said this week that 2008 should be a choice between candidates visions on ending the war in Iraq. She added: That conversation must not be stolen by partisan front groups [that use] lying, despicable attack ads to smear the records of those who have served in uniform.
During the Vietnam War, Romney divided his time between college and overseas work for the Mormon church.
A younger Mitt Romney became eligible for the draft in 1970, but his number was not called in the military draft, Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said. During that time, he did spend several years as a missionary for his church in France.
Illinois Sen. Barack Obama was only 14 when the Vietnam War ended. New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, as a woman, was not subject to the draft that would complicate her future husbands White House bid.
John Edwards, who is also running for president, didnt get many questions about his military record when he was Kerrys running mate in 2004, thanks to all the focus being on Kerry and Bush.
I did not serve in the military, Edwards said in an April 2004 interview with Katie Couric, who then asked if he had a high lottery number.
I did, and I came after the time that they were actually drafting from the lottery, he said. And because [of] the time I came along and graduated from high school and then went to college, I was not drafted.
bsammon@dcexaminer.com
Examiner
"You need to work hard in school or you get stuck in VIETNAM"
OK, I didn't do so well. ; )
Precious. He's precious. ROTFLMAO.
Swift Boats co-founder John ONeill said the only reason Vietnam became a major issue in 2004 was that Kerry kept bringing it up.
I do think Kerry was a special case, ONeill said. Whatever Rudy Giuliani or the rest of these people did or didnt do in terms of the Vietnam War, I dont think thats a legitimate issue in the presidential campaign of 2008.
I agree with O'neill on this. Rudy is way wrong on more than enough issues to use against him. However, if this would sink his nomination, go for it!
Does a bear $hit in the woods?
( Thats how front runners are whittled down to size.)
"He opposed the war on tactical and strategic grounds."
What does Rudy know about tactical and strategic military tactics?
Everyone that I know of, got whatever deferment they could to avoid this undeclared war called Viet Nam. I would never hold that against anyone. Yes, I supported winning the war that we were fighting, but in that war (because of the college deferment) it truly was the smartest ones who avoided combat.
It's not possible for McCain to cheapen himself any further.
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It's going to be great fun watching the Guliani campaign implode. I'm enjoying it already.
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That won't be easy to characterize in a positive light. Gore went to Divinity School, failed and went to Vietnam. LOL
Sounds like a case for Dan Rather. It could be hotter than a San Antone parking lot in July. On the other hand, it could be colder than a nor-easter in Amarillo in January.
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