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Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative
FrontPage magazine ^ | January 25, 2007 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 02/28/2007 9:56:17 AM PST by Peach

Not since Teddy Roosevelt took on Tammany Hall a century ago has a New York politician closely linked to urban reform looked like presidential timber. But today ex–New York mayor Rudy Giuliani sits at or near the top of virtually every poll of potential 2008 presidential candidates. Already, Giuliani’s popularity has set off a “stop Rudy” movement among cultural conservatives, who object to his three marriages and his support for abortion rights, gay unions, and curbs on gun ownership. Some social conservatives even dismiss his achievement in reviving New York before 9/11.

An August story on the website Right Wing News, for instance, claims that Giuliani governed Gotham from “left of center.” Similarly, conservatives have been feeding the press a misleading collection of quotations by and about Giuliani, on tax policy and school choice issues, assembled to make him look like a liberal.

But in a GOP presidential field in which cultural and religious conservatives may find something to object to in every candidate who could really get nominated (and, more important, elected), Giuliani may be the most conservative candidate on a wide range of issues. Far from being a liberal, he ran New York with a conservative’s priorities: government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, he said, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering.

The private economy, not government, creates opportunity, he argued; government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector’s way. He denied that cities and their citizens were victims of vast forces outside their control, and he urged New Yorkers to take personal responsibility for their lives.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26604


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservativemyasp; fauxconservative; fiscalconservative; goombahyah; gungrabbingrino; liberalwithr; malanga; rino; rudy; rudyforpresident; rudygasm
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To: Peach
Republicans across the spectrum of fiscal or social conservatives and across the Bible Belt and flyover country love him.

Big, fat, lie.

141 posted on 02/28/2007 11:06:25 AM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: sasportas

Ahem. You might want to read some of the links I posted about Evanglicals and how well Rudy is doing in the south and flyover country.

He's the #1 clear favorite among Reupblicans, even Republicans who are well aware of his views.


142 posted on 02/28/2007 11:06:25 AM PST by Peach
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To: proud American in Canada

:-)

One would think the mods would be begging for a change back to the "old" policy!


143 posted on 02/28/2007 11:06:50 AM PST by Peach
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To: Spiff

You know, the Dems have to be quite pleased with themselves. All they have to do is run Hitlery, and the GOP goes screaming into the hands of Liberalism to pick a candidate.


144 posted on 02/28/2007 11:06:58 AM PST by SIDENET (Voting for a liberal doesn't advance Conservatism.)
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To: Peach

Anyone who thinks Rudy isn't a "conservative" hasn't paid attention at all to anything he's done or said.

He does have some views that some "hard line" conservatives may not agree with, but if you think Rudy is a "loony leftist" in terms of his world view or policy, you definately weren't paying attention to what he did to clean up NYC after decades of leftist socialist destuction.


145 posted on 02/28/2007 11:07:51 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Peach
You might want to read some of the links I posted about Evanglicals and how well Rudy is doing in the south and flyover country.

Damn, I used to think you had a clue Peach. All of the "links", by and large are just a rehash of AP articles citing poles of liberal pole takers like Zogby. You might want to read some of the "links" about that.

146 posted on 02/28/2007 11:08:54 AM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree. When I hear that he's a liberal I just realize how out of touch people are with his policies.

He's not a social conservative, but in every other aspect, he's as staunch a conservative as we've had.


147 posted on 02/28/2007 11:09:26 AM PST by Peach
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To: subterfuge

Posted by Peach to RabidBartender
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 1:13:53 PM EST · 38 of 145


Oh, they know his positions, and they don't care.

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts

White evangelical Protestants now clearly favor Rudy Giuliani over Sen. John McCain, "despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792708/posts



148 posted on 02/28/2007 11:09:37 AM PST by Peach
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To: sasportas

Posted by Peach to RabidBartender
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 1:13:53 PM EST · 38 of 145


Oh, they know his positions, and they don't care.

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts

White evangelical Protestants now clearly favor Rudy Giuliani over Sen. John McCain, "despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792708/posts



149 posted on 02/28/2007 11:09:49 AM PST by Peach
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To: subterfuge

Have you seen all the polls posted in the last few weeks? All the news organizations, every one of them including FNC, show that Rudy is the frontrunner among Republicans.

Now, if you want to talk about biased polls and how they are often skewed, sure -- there's no doubt. But if you start doubting every single poll saying the same thing, then I think you're entering into conspiracy land.


150 posted on 02/28/2007 11:11:20 AM PST by Peach
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To: Mr. K
"Gosh, the main-stream-media loves Rudy so much...

How do you see Front Page and Steven Malanga as MSM?

151 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:25 AM PST by nctexan (Top 10 Presidential Reqs. for 2008 - see my homepage)
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To: oceanview
and you added another one - Rudy was responsible for the immigration policies that led to 9-11?

All the things you mention are true about Rudy, he is a strong anti-gun advocate, supports abortion and loves illegal aliens. I didn't "add" anything. I merely stated fact. His policies in NYC were to NOT report illegals to the INS, in fact he threatend to fire any city employee that did so. He also sued the government over the feds rights to force him to report illegals. A short time after that 9/11 was carried out, in large part by illegals who overstayed their visas. Yes, his policies helped set up 9/11.

152 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:33 AM PST by calex59
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To: Peach
The feds violate their own laws, for crying out loud . . .

If you can cite specific examples of this, then do so -- and then we can discuss it right here.

. . . and Rudy extended what was already in place by law under the previous Mayor. Or it might have even been the mayor before that.

I've debunked that point here on FreeRepublic a number of times. While this is technically true, there is no way to use this argument to justify his actions -- because neither of his predecessors (the policy in question was first implemented during the Koch administration) was in violation of the Illegal Immigrant Responsibility and Reform Act of 1996.

153 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

You aren't trying to say that the feds are enforcing the illegal immigration policies, are you?

They've been notified of clear cases of illegals at various companies and largely ignore the complaints is just one example I can think of.


154 posted on 02/28/2007 11:15:20 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
There's a difference between lacking the resources (or even the political will) to track down every single reported violation of the law, and deliberately violating it.

If you were to call up the IRS tomorrow and tell them that your next-door neighbor filed a fraudulent tax return last year, I'm pretty sure the IRS isn't going to spring into action and show up on his doorstop just because you told them so.

155 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Peach
Looks like Peach has got the Hatfields and McCoys going at it again!

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156 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:39 AM PST by nctexan (Top 10 Presidential Reqs. for 2008 - see my homepage)
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To: Peach
One would think the mods would be begging for a change back to the "old" policy!

LOL!

I haven't posted much but have been reading--the hatred and vitriol is beginning to rival the Terri threads. And that's sad.

I find your links about Rudy's support among evangelicals to be very interesting. And with the Northeast....Rudy could completely change the typical electoral map.

157 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:52 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: proud American in Canada

That's a good point about the map. It's going to be interesting. Right now, I'm just enjoying the heck out of his front-runner status and the resulting hysteria from a certain segment on FR.


158 posted on 02/28/2007 11:22:37 AM PST by Peach
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

...and not only the wolves, but the Sheppard find the sheep tasty...


159 posted on 02/28/2007 11:33:13 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Peach
If moderates are so sure about these polls, then they wouldn't be wasting their time on conservatives, defending Rudy. There was another poll out showing that when people become aware of how he stands on certain issues, his numbers drop. Conservatives may not be able to win without moderates but I don't think moderates are as confident as they say they are, that they can win without the conservative vote either. So..., who blinks first?
160 posted on 02/28/2007 11:34:24 AM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter.......shhh! You aren't supposed to know about him.)
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