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To: Kevmo

What the anti-Giuliani posters on here fail to understand is that Rudy has a micromanagement style, where his specific attack against gun laws was aimed at a critical situation.

The number of gun point robberies, especially in the outer boroughs of NYC justified this action, and I for one feel safe traveling through these areas where 15 years ago only would if you were crazy.

Don't worry, Rudy is not going to Waco anyone.

Think of his approach as a localized one to communities than can not handle guns....no different than airports.

Bottom line if you don't know enough about Rudy, read his book Leadership.....rather than generalizing his approach in NYC to the whole country.


53 posted on 03/20/2007 6:17:07 PM PDT by bluedressman
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To: bluedressman
What the anti-Giuliani posters on here fail to understand is that Rudy has a micromanagement style, where his specific attack against gun laws was aimed at a critical situation.

Hmm. I understand that Giuliani attempted to kill off gun manufacturers by suing them into bankruptcy, because he thought the existing gun control laws were too lax. If all he had done was see to it that existing laws (which preceded his administration by many years) were aggressively enforced and criminals punished, it'd be hard to call him a gun-grabber. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Rudy's authoritarian, micro-managing style of governing might work in a place like NYC, but the fact is that most of the nation neither needs nor would welcome such measures.

59 posted on 03/20/2007 6:34:21 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: bluedressman

Bottom line if you don't know enough about Rudy, read his book Leadership.....rather than generalizing his approach in NYC to the whole country.
***Um, if he's running on his record then he will do for the US what he did for NYC and for the republican party (like endorsing a democrat over a republican governor). It's a valid generalization. I have no desire to read his book and put money into his pocket. The truth is freely available to anyone who reads this post and/or clicks on the youtube video, no money sliding into rudy's pocket.




Rudy Giuliani video on YouTube: "I would like to run on the Democratic line "
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793570/posts



Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Transcript of video below.




Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?

Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."

Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:

Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."

Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"

Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."

ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"

Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."

Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!

End clip.


65 posted on 03/20/2007 6:52:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: bluedressman
Maybe you tough New Yorkers could have asked your masters to issue concealed carry permits like they have in the civilized states, instead of having to cry to the Rockland County Cowboys in Blue because you are AFRAID of Latrell and his Raven .25.

New Yorkers wussy attitude toward defending themselves makes me embarassed to be a native of your sorry a-s state.

71 posted on 03/20/2007 7:08:42 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: bluedressman

Oh, we are supposed to APPRECIATE that he only violated thousands of gun owners' rights, and not millions, huh?


100 posted on 03/20/2007 8:22:32 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!!)
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To: bluedressman
"The number of gun point robberies, especially in the outer boroughs of NYC justified this action,"

BS. Giuliani, and the grabbers denied the rights of lawful gun owners. He denied them the right to effective self defense. All he, and his enablers did was to equate reasonable folks that choose to defend themselves with the criminals, and to equate a gun, with a badge of evil.

"Don't worry, Rudy is not going to Waco anyone. "

Of course not, just the formerly free Americans who disobey his tyranical ass, when he dictates they be handed over to his jack boots.

"Think of his approach as a localized one to communities than can not handle guns....no different than airports. "

Ridiculous! "read his book Leadership.....rather than generalizing his approach in NYC to the whole country."

His idea of freedom amounts to turning it over to authority to handle for ya. His approach to gun control, was to have gun ownership changed into a privilege, instead of a right nationwide.

107 posted on 03/20/2007 8:59:03 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: bluedressman
What the anti-Giuliani posters on here fail to understand is that Rudy has a micromanagement style, where his specific attack against gun laws was aimed at a critical situation.

The number of gun point robberies, especially in the outer boroughs of NYC justified this action, and I for one feel safe traveling through these areas where 15 years ago only would if you were crazy.

Don't worry, Rudy is not going to Waco anyone.

Think of his approach as a localized one to communities than can not handle guns....no different than airports.

Bottom line if you don't know enough about Rudy, read his book Leadership.....rather than generalizing his approach in NYC to the whole country.




I think you are talking above the heads of some of the idiots who try to call you a LIBERAL if you support Rudy Giuliani.
164 posted on 03/21/2007 12:08:53 PM PDT by KATIE-O (A Conservative Republican for Rudy Giuliani.'08 ( and I still despise Liberals!))
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To: bluedressman
Think of his approach as a localized one to communities than can not handle guns

In other words, where minorities live.

240 posted on 03/22/2007 8:18:26 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: bluedressman
aimed at a critical situation.

What critical situation was that? Individual gun ownership by honest citizens?

The number of gun point robberies, especially in the outer boroughs of NYC justified this action, and

Do you seriously think that robbers are following gun laws? Or could it be that he increased the police force from 23,000 to 55,000 MIGHT have had something to do with it.

I for one feel safe traveling through these areas where 15 years ago only would if you were crazy

Typical New Yorker thinks guns cause crime. Tell me do you think flies cause sh!t? I hold people like you in contempt, not so much for their views, but for their arrogance in not critically examinining those views in the light of reason.

Don't worry, Rudy is not going to Waco anyone.

Tell that to the people his JBTs arrested for violating the Dinkins semi-auto ban.

Bottom line if you don't know enough about Rudy, read his book Leadership.....

I' ll read his liberal POS book when I read Hillary's and Obama's and for the same reason.

256 posted on 03/22/2007 9:45:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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