Film’s View of Islam Stirs Anger on Campuses

New York Times ^ | 2/26/07 | KAREN W. ARENSON

[gridlock]

I'm a Christian. That doesn't mean I don't think the Spanish inquisition and the witch hunts where atrocious acts of human barbarism.

Who would expect that?

[tkathy]

Maybe it's time that muslims start to look at themselves instead of whining and blaming others.

[gridlock]

Mr Osman needs to learn to distinguish between faith and murder.

This problem is at he very core of Islam, IMHO. It is impossible to destinguish one from the other. The religion, by it's very nature, is spread by the sword.

[gridlock]

Maybe it's time that muslims start to look at themselves instead of whining and blaming others.

They might not like what they see. I think a lot of them like to concentrate on the "happy clappy" aspects, and ignore the more uncomfortable realities.

[angkor]

they were stopped on the side of the road on the way to Medina, which is forbidden to non-muslims.

The story I read said they might have been French Muslims.

[goldstategop]

Its the truth: Islam Is A Death Cult. Adam Osnan and the Left shun it the way cockroaches scurry out of the light.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[angkor]

I'm not familiar with that one... Anybody?

Steve Emerson's "Jihad In America".

[gridlock]

I had read an earlier story that did not mention that.

Could be your garden variety ME machine-gunning, I guess...

[Tarpon]

Well at least they didn't purport show Mohammad's tomb.

[Eagles Talon IV]

"If you can't raise the level of your argument, increase the level of your noise."

Or put another way, "If you can't dazzle 'em with logic, baffle 'em with bullshit"

[P-40]

I'm not familiar with that one... Anybody?

I remember now. It was Jihad in America by Steve Emerson and it aired on PBS. It was one creepy show but I did assume that our government would look into it. Naive times I guess.

Here is what CAIR says about it.

http://www.cair-net.org/html/emerson.htm

[gridlock]

Terrorists Among Us - Jihad in America (2001) - by Steve Emerson -- Available at Amazon.com

[Beckwith]

What has the Spanish Inquisition have to do with anything in 2007?

In the period of the Spanish Iquisition, 1478 through 1834, Islam was 1000 times more efficient in wiping out infidels.

1453 Mehmet Fatih (rules 1451-81) conquers Constantinople. The two halves of the Ottoman Empire are united and the sultan becomes Byzantine emperor.
1480 In central India, Bahmani sultans made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated.
1492 Castile and Aragon capture Granada. All Muslims and Jews expelled from Spain.
1501 Isma'il (1487-1524) claims to be the Hidden Imam and is proclaimed Shah (king) of Persia. Twelver Shi'ism becomes official religion of Persia.
1516 Ottomans conquer Syria and Egypt.
1517 Ottomans control Mecca and Medina.
1520-66 Reign of Suleyman the Magnificent; Ottoman Empire reaches its zenith. Hungary and coastlands of Algeria and Tunisia come under Ottoman rule.
1526 Babur (Mongolian) seizes the Delhi sultanate and takes control of northern India.
1556 Akbar founds the Mughal dynasty in northern India.
1625 Java comes under rule of Muslim kingdom of Mataram.
1700s Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab rejects Sufism and all innovation (bid'a). Founds what becomes the Saudi Arabian kingdom. 1738 Mughal empire invaded by the Afghans.
1779 Afghans ousted by Qajar dynasty, which rules Persia until 1925.
1798 Napoleon's expedition to Egypt.
1805 Muhammad Ali becomes governor of Egypt, which becomes independent of the Ottomans, gains control of western Arabia and extends into the Sudan.
1807-76 Tanzimat period. Ottoman Empire undergoes extensive program of modernization in government, law, and medicine.
1830 Greece regains independence from Ottomans.
1850s Non-Muslim Ottoman citizens granted equality with Muslims.
1858 Last Mughal in India is deposed and India comes under British rule.
1876-1908 Reign of Abd al-Hamid II; autocratic and religiously conservative period in Ottoman rule.

[mc5cents]

Some people choose their blindness.
Some stereotypes are well deserved.

Indeed. When confronted with the truth the deniers will usually counter with the "sterotype" rebuttal. Some like to use the "cliche" argument, a cliche becomes a cliche because it is true and so overused. When that doesn't work they usually turn to the tried and true method of personal destruction of the messenger.

[goldstategop]

The societies that practice apartheid on a daily basis and ban Christianity in the Middle East are never criticized by the Left. The term apartheid is reserved solely to the one country that ironically has never outlawed Christianity - Israel.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[SouthernBoyupNorth]

“The question about radical Islam and how do we fight it is unproductive,” said Yehuda Sarna, the New York University rabbi on the panel. “The question is how to break down the stereotypes facing the two religions.” This has got to be the most idiotic statement in the entire article.... It is not about stereotypes... IT IS ABOUT HATRED! And from my experience, Islam is all about hate.

[Montaignes Cat]

Very good summary. Thanks.

[gridlock]

I'm all for breaking down stereotypes. We should look at people as they really are. The facts are friendly, as they say.

The problem is, that 99% of the time when people talk about "breaking down stereotypes", what they are really doing is just substituting a more favorable stereotype for the negative one.

[Peach]

The kids called the terrorist's words propoganda? I don't understand what you posted.

[2banana]

Can you post the entire list?