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1 posted on 02/26/2007 8:41:04 AM PST by Clive
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Another famous ossuary inscribed James son of Joseph brother of Jesus, is also featured in the documentary.

This film fails to tell us that this particular ossuary has been proved to be a fake. The History channel did a whole segment on this fake ossuary this last year.

31 posted on 02/26/2007 9:06:39 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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Is this the mindset of "Jesus wasn't necessarily the Son of God, he was a really nice guy who had good ideas"?


35 posted on 02/26/2007 9:13:12 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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"...My feeling is that his message of compassion, humility, love and forgiveness is every bit as much needed now in this divisive, materialistic and war-torn world..."

Sounds like a liberal...I am willing to bet HE isn't materialistic...:)

36 posted on 02/26/2007 9:15:14 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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>>Feuerverger says that if James is added to the equation, there is a 30,000 to one chance that the Talpiot Tomb belonged to Jesus' family.

Another calculation, commissioned by James Tabor, chair of the department of religion studies at the University of North Carolina, puts the odds at one in 42 million. <<

I dont understand how they can calculate even these long odds - without DNA from Jesus from a known source what can they compare with?


37 posted on 02/26/2007 9:15:49 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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before anyone starts jumping to conclusions, we should watch the movie. Also, don't forget to check out the movie's official website at http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com


39 posted on 02/26/2007 9:17:36 AM PST by karen1978
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In The Lost Tomb, however, University of Toronto statistician Andre Feuerverger calculates that the chances of the names being found together are 600 to one.

Probably just proves that the names are bogus. The box all but says "The Christ Family Plot".

40 posted on 02/26/2007 9:19:40 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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So let me ask. It of course would be impossible that some enterprising forger put the names on the boxes years, decades or even centuries after the boxes were placed in the tombs? I mean here is the proof that anti-Christians have always needed. Why wait so long to haul it out? Was it a double secret burial cave? Did the Apostles put up no trespassing signs? Did no one have the price of admission to view the bones of the Holy Family?

Can you imagine the time and trouble the Roman Empire and the Jewish religious authorities could have saved if they had just tossed those old bones down during the trials of the Martyrs? Seems that would have shut those pesky Christians up once and for all. Can you imagine Christians continuing to go willingly to their deaths by fire, sword, wild beasts, and other tortures; after being shown the bones of Christ. Yeah the first chapter of Masochists Annonymous will now come to order.

The whole hoopla is a hoax.


41 posted on 02/26/2007 9:20:29 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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He may have found the tomb. It may even be the tomb of Jesus. The key question is, are the remains of Jesus inside? Of course they aren't. 1 Cor 15:3-5.


42 posted on 02/26/2007 9:21:18 AM PST by rudy45
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"The idea of possibly finding the tomb of Jesus and several members of his family, with compelling scientific evidence, is beyond anything I could have imagined."

Compelling scientific evidence ... please!
This makes the GW claptrap seem absolutely einsteinian. Lay off the bong dude.

43 posted on 02/26/2007 9:21:39 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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O boy. Bones of "William" and "Mary" found in Florida Citrus country. Therefore the King of England, William of Orange, probably retired to cultivate Valencias in Gatorland?

Look at the evidence: they had different DNA, right?

44 posted on 02/26/2007 9:22:02 AM PST by cookcounty (Curiousity: Lee Hamilton now employed by Sandy Berger: stonebridge-international.com)
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I haven't read anything astonishing about this yet.  This gravesite was uncovered 27 years ago and Cameron is the only person to make the claim it is the grave of Christ.  Saturday I discovered a person with my exact name, my mother's exact name and the same name as my first wife...living less than 100 miles from me, and believe me, Jesus, Joseph and Mary are hundreds of times more common than my real name.  In fact I was a bit surprised to discover someone anywhere with my exact name. Most people introduced to me claim to have never met anyone with my first name and never even heard of my middle name.

Go to Mexico and you'll find thousands of people named Jesus fathered by a guy named Joseph.  For that matter, just go to Cooperstown, NY and visit the Baseball Hall of Fame.
47 posted on 02/26/2007 9:23:44 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.)
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This is a storm in a teacup. The "evidence" is inconclusive at best, and at worst, shows that this tomb had nothing to do with the Biblical Jesus.

The DNA evidence is a case in point. They evaluated the mtDNA, which can only show maternal connections, between "Maria" (Mary?) and "Maraimne" (Mary Magadalene?), and concluded that since they were not family, it shows that one was married to "Jesus". That ignores a boatload of other possibilities, and just question-begs it into their "evidence".


51 posted on 02/26/2007 9:31:36 AM PST by Ironfocus
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ah yes, in the end days the blind will lead the blind- lies will be seen as preferable to the truth- what's aazing though are the amount of people who will jump on this 'film' as though it were thje very Word of God itself instead of just reading and understanding the actual word of God.

The following link is a signature link and does not relate to this thread http://sacredscoop.com


52 posted on 02/26/2007 9:31:46 AM PST by CottShop
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"The $4-million documentary will air on Canada's Vision TV on March 6 and two days earlier on Discovery U.S."

And the "Science people" wonder why they're not taken seriously on global warming and evolution. Discovery, the National Geographic and others constantly speak in the name of "science" and the "scientific community" with no apparent objection from the scientists themselves.

When the AAAS speaks out warning the public that these outlets are prone to sensationalism, fraud and forgery, the AAAS will get some respect. So long as they are content to have themselves lumped together, they will be.

53 posted on 02/26/2007 9:33:19 AM PST by cookcounty (How odd. Lee Hamilton now employed by Sandy Berger: stonebridge-international.com)
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As I just mentioned in an earlier thread, Simcha Jacobovici is an interesting character. As a Jew, he insists on the literal truth of the Old Testament (fair enough) and assumes that the Torah and tradition are correct unless proven otherwise (again, fair enough), but when it comes to Christian texts and sites, he magically finds his skeptics hat and is willing to believe the most unlikely of claims. He's got a definite agenda and bias in his works from what I've seen (his documentaries on Exodus and the Lost Tribes and The Naked Archaeologist). It's fair for a Jew to believe that Judaism is true and Christianity is false but it's not fair to apply a double standard and pretend to be unbiased and scientific.
55 posted on 02/26/2007 9:35:01 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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"I think this is more fanciful and absurd theorizing. Every Christian knows that Jesus, the son of God and man, died and rose again on Easter Sunday,"

While I agree with the spirit in which this is said, I would have said that every Christian believes (and knows) that Jesus, the Son of God, died on the Cross at Golgotha and was buried in a tomb and arose three days later (as foretold in the prophecies). It is for this reason we commemorate and celebrate His Resurrection on what came to be known Easter Sunday (The Feast of the Resurrection).

56 posted on 02/26/2007 9:36:50 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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"Jesus' mother was known after his death as Maria, the Latin form of Mary, as more Romans became followers. Mariamne is the Greek form of Mary. Mary Magdalene is believed to have spoken and preached in Greek. Jose was the nickname used for Jesus' little brother."

I would like to see some authority for these statements other that the writer's own imagination.

58 posted on 02/26/2007 9:38:58 AM PST by joebuck
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We Chritsians know that this is all part of a deception no matter what so called evidence he comes up with. Without Christ's death and resurection Christianity ceases to exit, and theose who are its enemies know it.

Thats why no matter how old the eveidence appears to be, or how authentic, it must be false because the disciples died for the testimony of Jesus and would have never confessed that Christ died and rose again and went to their deaths to prove it.

59 posted on 02/26/2007 9:39:52 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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Instead, the documentary that claims the discovery of the tomb of Jesus Christ and his family celebrates their existence, Cameron said at a press conference announcing the documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus." The message that Jesus delivered 2,000 years ago resounds even today, Cameron said.

If Cameron is right, the only message that Jesus gave was that he was a fraud and a delusional liar.

61 posted on 02/26/2007 9:47:24 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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Back in 2004 - a story about an ossuary possibly belonging to the "brother of Jesus." No connection to this "family plot" that I can discern ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/17/60minutes/main661815.shtml

Seems totally likely that there are 1,000s of artifacts associated with one non-biblical Jesus or another.


62 posted on 02/26/2007 9:48:19 AM PST by sbMKE
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