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To: MNJohnnie
Yeah and the US House Republican took the issue head on and the Know Nothings fired them for it.

Here is the breakdown of the vote on the House Enforcement First bill, which passed 239 to 182 with 13 not voting. The Reps voted 203-17 for the bill and were joined by 36 Dems [or almost 20% of the Dems voting]. Of those 239 who voted for the bill, how many lost their seats because of their stand on immigration?

You continue to make these baseless assertions that this issue was the reason why the Reps lost control of Congress. Such delusional thinking will not help us take it back.


321 posted on 02/25/2007 9:41:36 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
How about ONE time we look at the WHOLE picture instead of merely selectively cherry picking facts to rationalize personal position on the Immigration issue? WHICH party leadership fought for, and brought the Legislation to the floor for a vote and which party, especially in the US Senate, did everything, including filibustering it, to kill that Legislation you cite? That right the Democrats killed it. EVERY single Democrat Senator voted against it. EVERY one.

But that right, God forbid the Alway Angry about Everything crowd actually put anything issue into context or actually think about the totality of the issue or what discuss what is actually going on in DC. Frankly this odd habit of the Purists, such as Luntz, of NEVER ever being able to actually find ANYTHING to attack the Democrats on EVER makes us wonder which side they REALLY are on. They seem to spend all their time doing the Democrats PR dirty work for them. Rather strange behavior from people claiming to be "Real Conservatives". Their fire is NEVER directed at anyone but their own political allies. Frankly with friends like this, who needs enemies. To their doctrine of total Dogmatic Political Purity linked to their pathetic need to constantly sniping their own political allies in the back rather then EVER attack the Democrats on ANY issue is WAY more important t then actually MOVING what they claim to be their political agenda forward. Frankly Reagan, a supremely pragmatic politician would spit on all of these dogmatic purists.

Utterly pathetic that this same collection of Dogmatic Purists constantly squeal about their "God" Reagan. The SAME Ronald Reagan who signed a REAL Illegals Amnesty. Doubled the Size of the Fed Govt in 8 years, Signed 2 Tax Hikes, Spent Record Fed Deficits, negotiated with the Mullahs of Iran, appointed a Liberal to the SC and ran away from the Muslim Terrorist threat.

Using the SAME standard applied by Lutz et al, REAGAN was "NO Conservative" and utterly failed the American people.


Basically what Lutz et al want to do is IGNORE the best sustained economic performance ever, the successful war, ignore all the Conservative Judges and the thousands of other accomplishments and instead mindlessly fixate on the 30% of their personal political agenda that did NOT make it thru the DC Legislative buzz saw on it's very 1ST time around.

Rather the Conservative Establishment would simply rather whine and bitch and cry endlessly that the world is not perfect and they did not get out of politics everything exactly the way they wanted and NOTHING that they did not want the very 1st Time it came around.

Well Guess What. People with that sort of attitude better resign themselves to dying unhappy then. NO body gets ONLY 100% of ONLY what THEY want the second they want it in politics. NOBODY.

So after about 70 years being out of power in one branch or the other the Conservatives were exactly 1 SC Justice away from FINALLY regaining control of all three branches of the US Govt and the childish wretches of the Worst Generation pissed it all away in a fit of petulant because their personal political whimsy was not being enacted as fast as they felt it should be.

Frankly the modern "Conservative" Establishment has demonstrated itself utterly too juvenile and petulant to be a Majority Party. Ronald Reagan would have NOTHING but contempt for the scum in the current Conservative Establishment who scream the loudest about being his intellectual grandchildren.
395 posted on 02/25/2007 11:10:47 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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