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Thinking Hard About Voting For Rudy Guiliani
The Bulletin ^ | Feb. 22, 2007 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 02/23/2007 7:05:51 PM PST by FairOpinion

I've never voted for Rudy Giuliani in my life. But I'm thinking hard about it now.

In both cases, I surprise myself.

The rest of America may know Rudy as "America's Mayor" for his ceremonial performance post-9/11, but for New Yorkers who lived through the Dinkins years, Rudy Giuliani is more than a guy who stands tall when the skyscrapers fall. By the late '90s, people were beginning to say that New York City was ungovernable: Remember the court-driven interest group spending, the disorder, the bums taking over the parks and the playgrounds and the street corners, spiraling welfare costs, the crime, the small business disaster, the high taxes, rent control, the South Bronx? New York was a disaster area, a poster child for what liberalism hath wrought.

The glittering cosmopolitan New York City we now live in, the one seemingly every college student in America dreams about moving to, is largely Rudy's gift, forged in the face of intense, daily, nasty invective from those who at the time insisted that to demand order and civility in a large city was to be a fascist.

Even Rudy's 9/11 performance tends to be misdescribed. It was not that he "stood tall" or didn't emotionally collapse. George Bush came to New York City and made graceful speeches about how we will rebuild the hole in the ground that still remains. What stood out for us in that dark time was not that the mayor of New York insisted we would triumph over this adversity, but that he didn't try to spin us about how unimaginably bad this sort of adversity was. He didn't try to soft-pedal the uncertainty, the chaos, the suffering the city was going through, and that gave us the confidence to believe that reality, terrible as it was, could in fact be faced.

I never voted for Rudy when I lived in New York City for one simple reason: abortion. I don't look for purity in politicians, just for some small pro-life reason to vote for a guy: Medicaid funding, parental notification, partial birth abortion. Throw me the slightest lifeline, otherwise I assume he just doesn't want the vote of people like me. Rudy never did. So I never gave him my vote. And of course it doesn't help now to recall the way Rudy treated his second wife, nor do I particularly want to imagine the third Mrs. Giuliani as Laura Bush's successor.

So I could have sworn, even a few months ago, that I'd never vote for Rudy Giuliani, in spite of my deep respect for his considerable achievements as mayor. So why would I even think of changing my mind? Two things: national security, and Hillary Clinton's Supreme Court appointments.

When I ask myself, who of all the candidates in both parties do I most trust to keep me and my children safe? The answer is instantaneous, deeper than the level any particular policy debate can go: Rudy Giuliani. And when I look ahead on social issues like gay marriage, the greatest threat I see is that the Supreme Court with two or more appointments from Hillary Clinton, will decide that our Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, created a national constitutional right to whatever social liberals have decided is the latest civil rights battle. It's hard to see a state that George Bush won in which Rudy Giuliani will not beat Hillary Clinton. And he will put a whole slew of new blue states into play: Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, to name just three. (The latest Quinnipiac poll shows Giuliani in a dead heat with Clinton in Connecticut.) Which puts people like me, who care very deeply about marriage and life issues, in the position of thinking hard about Rudy.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortteamrudy; clinton; democratrudy; electionpresident; elections; fraudiani; giuliani; gungrabber; hillary; homosexualagenda; judges; judiciary; partysplitter; perverts; rudy; willtapdance4votes
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To: dynachrome
No, but I never said Democrats were fair either.
101 posted on 02/23/2007 8:02:40 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: FairOpinion; Area51

Good article!


102 posted on 02/23/2007 8:04:00 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Are those coyotes I hear, or is Hillary singing again?)
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To: spikeytx86

In the real America? Sorry, NYC isn't electing a mayor, America is electing a President.


103 posted on 02/23/2007 8:05:07 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: spikeytx86
He wore a dress!!!
104 posted on 02/23/2007 8:05:15 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Are those coyotes I hear, or is Hillary singing again?)
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To: narses
"He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner."

Not to mention.....

" Giuliani set to appoint chief of staff's mother to $142,700-a-year Housing Authority post"
http://www.politicsny.com/reports/12-27-01-aniello.shtml

You just can't make this stuff up folks, Rudy has very poor judgment in his staff and appointments.
105 posted on 02/23/2007 8:07:07 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Beagle8U

Kerik.


106 posted on 02/23/2007 8:07:53 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

Yes, but his business partner's mother? lmao


107 posted on 02/23/2007 8:11:15 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: narses
Jim brings out some good points, but I must respectfully disagree about the assertion that Rudy can not win. Rudy against hitlery in all the States GWB won is leading by 18 points. He is tied in the blue and purple states. He has an 84% approval rating, and people do know his stances by now as the MSM spends the first half of the segment laying them all out.

I will make this pledge, if my candidate does not win the Republican nomination I will support vigorously whom ever does and spend as much time and money as possible to get them over the top in 08. Will you make the same pledge?
108 posted on 02/23/2007 8:11:32 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: merry10
law enforcement background

That's pronounced, "LAWR" enforcement in RINO-rudy's liberal elitist northeastern-corridor gun-grabbing Police-State jack-booted-thug parlance.

REAL, rubber-meets-the-road street cops just "LOVE" it when some scumbag DA, ala janet reno, spitzer, or RINO-rudy (or ANY of their arrogant ilk) try and intimate that they are the SAME as them by saying that they served in "LAWR" ENFORCEMENT.

Just say NO to RINO-rudy and all like him.

109 posted on 02/23/2007 8:12:06 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: SIDENET
I know that I won't be voting for him.

So I guess that means you prefer Hitlary or Obama.

110 posted on 02/23/2007 8:12:07 PM PST by Jorge
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To: TheSpottedOwl
So? Was it to a staff meeting? no It was for SNL and a fund raiser. If you got proof he is a cross dresser that is a different story, but until you bring that proof I will have to not care.
111 posted on 02/23/2007 8:13:16 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: narses

So then what is your fear? If "Real Republicans" wont vote for him for the nomination aren't you just wasting your breath?


112 posted on 02/23/2007 8:14:50 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Antoninus

Don't get me wrong, but I like Duncan Hunter. He would make a great VP, and earn name recognition, which he doesn't have at the moment. When the time is right, Hunter will be the strongest nominee for the presidency. Jmo...


113 posted on 02/23/2007 8:15:54 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Are those coyotes I hear, or is Hillary singing again?)
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To: Jorge
So I guess that means you prefer Hitlary or Obama.

Nice try, Jorge, many of us already walked that line with Bush and won't make the same mistake again. At least he appeared conservative out of the gate.

The 'If you don't vote Republican, you're voting in the Dems' crap is tired. Frankly, tough shit.

114 posted on 02/23/2007 8:17:05 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you're standing outside the fire.)
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To: Beagle8U

"Posted 3 days ago"
Good catch.


115 posted on 02/23/2007 8:18:21 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: babygene

Who else can beat Hillary, Duncan Hunter?

Please don't make me ROTFL.


116 posted on 02/23/2007 8:18:43 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: merry10
ewww, calling people RINOs. How mature.

Perhaps you prefer...

Republican In Name Only

FAUX Republican

FAKE Republican

Pretend Republican

Liberal Yankee

Northeast-Corridor Liberal

Traitor to His Party, etc....

117 posted on 02/23/2007 8:18:49 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: NapkinUser; All
- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.

- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.

- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.

- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.

- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.

- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.

- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.

- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.

- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.

- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.

- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. The NY Times called it slavery.

- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood.

" - Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.

- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman. - Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working

. " - Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.

- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.

- Rudy was for school vouchers Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".

- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.

- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.

- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.

- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.

- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.

- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.

- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.

- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.

- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.

- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.

- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.

- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.

- Rudy privatized municipal assets.

- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.

- Rudy divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.

- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.

- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.

- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do.

" - A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning. The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.

” - Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.

- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.

- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.

- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.

- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.

- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.

- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.

- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.

- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.

- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.

118 posted on 02/23/2007 8:19:02 PM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: EternalVigilance; FairOpinion; PhiKapMom; muleskinner
I did some googling about Guiliani judicial appointments. You stimulated me to do so. Congratulation.

The mayor of NYC appoints family and criminal court judges, and civil court judges on an interim basis, all of whom are lowly trial court judges, who don't set any legal precedents. They are the folks who go to second and third tier law schools, and then go to the local DA's office, and handle park and bark cases as they try to move up the judicial food chain.

Here is a post that per my research indeed accurately describes the process. The process is not partisan. The mayor does not select judges not recommended by the Mayor's Advisory Committee.

It is time to move on EV, and remind folks that Rudy does not hate gays, favors civil unions, did not favor concealed carry of guns in NYC, and is not in favor of making illegal all abortions, and keep reminding folks of that. THAT will cause a stampede to your favorite candidate, who at the moment remains behind the curtain, pending your dramatic unveiling, I am sure. Your jihad against Rudy over his NYC trial court appointments is shooting blanks. That salient of your offensive against Giuliani is a failure, or will be, because there is no "there," there.

And there you have it.

119 posted on 02/23/2007 8:19:11 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: spikeytx86

What fear? \i post reality.


120 posted on 02/23/2007 8:20:34 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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