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To: HitmanLV
Lately, being the preferred Freeper candidate hasn't exactly been a good thing. Most of the Freeper favorites (Santorum, Allen, others) got obliterated in election 2006.

Soooo, what are you saying--we should stop boosting conservatives because they lose elections sometimes? It wasn't for nothing that the Democrats worked so hard and spent so much money to knock those two out. To be honest, however, I never really saw either of them as particularly strong presidential material.

The FR-Reality disconnect grows.

Really? Care to explain to me how a Northeast liberal Yankee gun-grabber is going to win all those red states in the south? I'm genuinely curious to hear your take on it.
467 posted on 02/23/2007 9:23:21 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus
Soooo, what are you saying--we should stop boosting conservatives because they lose elections sometimes?

No.  I am saying have clarity of the political climate before embarking on courses of action.  If the political marketplace is buying what you are selling, fine.  If they are not, people should have a grasp of that.  Right  now (and this could change quickly, of course), the public is buying what the dems are selling and not what the GOP is selling.

I am saying that goals and expectations should reflect political realities.

It wasn't for nothing that the Democrats worked so hard and spent so much money to knock those two out. To be honest, however, I never really saw either of them as particularly strong presidential material.

I agree.  the dems knocked them out because they were perceived as vulnerable (especially Santorum)  and they marketed their candidates in those races very well.  I never bought into the Allen as GOP 2008 nominee thing, either.

Care to explain to me how a Northeast liberal Yankee gun-grabber is going to win all those red states in the south? I'm genuinely curious to hear your take on it.

Sure.  Most voters know that elections aren't between the named candidate and some imaginary, perfect candidate.  People tend to vote for who they perceive is the best of the choices offered.  The gun grabbing rip on Rudy is overstated and most people know it.  Rudy polls well everywhere, even the South, and people know where he stands.  The idea that people don't know him well is reassuring to his detractors but doesn't have much strength.  He has been on the national political scene especially since late 2001, and has been in strong demand among GOP candidates everywhere for his help in campaigning. 

Yes, even in the South.

Indeed, Rudy has campaigned for 100s of GOPers around the nation and has been a great advocate for the president for many years.  Indeed, he does a better job explaining the admin's policies than Dubya himself.  He has been loyal to the GOP throughout this century, and the thanks he gets is petulant foot stomping by purists who hurl overstatements (and complete lies) in his direction.  I've seen him routinely called an 'abortionist,' for example, which is someone who performs abortions.  That just isn't true, but it doesn't stop some people from using the word to describe him. 

Then again, maybe many Freepers just don't understand what the word means.

673 posted on 02/24/2007 9:18:34 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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