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A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)
Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

Posted on 02/23/2007 7:45:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child

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To: Alberta's Child

Great post. Thanks.


61 posted on 02/23/2007 8:30:19 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Good article. It explains in detail why the reaction here to Rudy was to be expected.


62 posted on 02/23/2007 8:31:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Lakeshark
Excuse me, we've had this conversation before, so please don't post to me in that moronic manner. You demean yourself with your insane posts.

Moronic? Insane? We are 22 months from the general election and already asking hypotheticals. There is a good chance neither will be the nominee. If Rudy is to win the general, he needs to convince people to vote for him, not to vote against Hillary.

63 posted on 02/23/2007 8:33:00 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I appreciate a candidate that can laugh at himself. You're right, Giuliani did the costumes for fund raisers. But it won't play well with the folks who think The Dukes of Hazard is based on classic literature.

As much as I don't like McCain, I think one of the funniest things I've ever seen is "McCain sings Streisand." (the video is out there on YouTube)

JoinRudy2008 * Virginia is for Rudy * The Ward View

64 posted on 02/23/2007 8:35:10 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (If you don't support their mission, you don't support the troops.)
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To: Lakeshark
Honestly, will you support Hillary rather than him if he wins the nomination?

If one looks at the latest FR poll on a head to head with HRC, it can be concluded that some here will vote for Rudy. But, many more will vote 3rd party or are undecided at this point.

65 posted on 02/23/2007 8:36:26 AM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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Trust me Rudy fans. Don't take the route California took. We screwed up big time with Arnold. Unfortunately all we've managed to do is stay on life support when we'd have been better off going into default under a democratic administration. No need in giving the GOP a bad name for the next century just to put a RINO in control.


66 posted on 02/23/2007 8:36:29 AM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: don-o
Great.

Hillary for Pres is so comforting to me..........

67 posted on 02/23/2007 8:38:17 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Alberta's Child
Hear! Hear!

Well reasoned. Well written. Well said.

68 posted on 02/23/2007 8:38:40 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Great post! It explains exactly why I could not vote for Rudy. And why the Rudy supporters aren't going to change my mind by calling us names and threatening Hillary.


69 posted on 02/23/2007 8:38:48 AM PST by conservatrice
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To: Alberta's Child; All
An excellent vanity. You have been holding back for too long!

I've remained neutral about Rudy on FR in the past since bashing candidates isn't my favorite way to spend my time. However, for the sake of fair disclosure, I will make it known here that I will not be voting for Rudy in the primaries.

David Brody asked for feedback from readers on the question of whether or not they would vote for Rudy. I didn't see my reasons exactly within the text of your vanity, so I'll reprint my email to Mr. Brody for FReepers to consider.

Great effort, Alberta's Child!

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Dear Mr. Brody,

If a man cannot honor sacred marriage vows and remain faithful to his wife, it raises great doubt in my mind that he can be trusted to behave honorably in other areas of public life. A man who has been an unfaithful husband is not an example of the best among us despite his other fine qualities, and one should hope a person elected to represent the nation will be an example for our society to emulate in every regard.

When I began voting in 1972, and in every election since then, I have viewed infidelity in marriage as a disqualifying factor when selecting a candidate in the primary election who will best represent my beliefs and values. This simple litmus test of character has certainly served me well in the past to steer me away from presidential candidates who later proved to be immoral reprobates in office. I will apply that standard again in 2008 and will not vote for Rudy Giuliani in the primary election. Mitt Romney is the candidate who faithfully represents my conservative values in social and fiscal issues and he will have my full support.

If Rudy Giuliani were to become the Republican Party nominee for President in 2008, I would support him in the general election reluctantly. I will vote for Giuliani for President to deny ascension to power by a Democrat candidate who would lead the nation into danger and a more rapid decline into social liberalism with little hope of reversing the slide.

Sincerely,

[name redacted]
Houston, TX

70 posted on 02/23/2007 8:39:04 AM PST by Unmarked Package (<<<< Click to learn more about Governor Mitt Romney)
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To: Alberta's Child
We are either Republicans first, or we are conservatives first

Or are we Americans first? And are we pragmatists?

Unlike many on FR, I care more about the actual governing then about the game of politics and the gotcha of the other side- as entertaining as that may be.

One can fantasize about what candidate they would love to see in office or set their analysis on reality.

Having been a witness to NYC pre Giuliani, and the miracle he performed, I believe he is uniquely what America needs today. When he was shot, Reagan joked that he hoped the doctors were Republicans. It was only a joke. To save his life, a Communist doctor would have been just as well if that doctor was proven to be highly proficient for the treatment needed, and no Republican was an equal.

I anticipate that the next Presidency will be a very troubling one. Conservative principles will have to take a back seat to competence dealing with huge international and economic issues- the nuts and bolts of a Presidency.

Dream all you want, but the next Republican nominee is either Giuliani or Romney, with McCain a more distant possibility. I believe only Giuliani would win the General. No "Conservative" is viable. If Gingrich, who I would like to see as President, cracks up and gets into the race, and Republicans crack up and nominate him, the election- sad to say- will be a massacre of Republicans.

Promises could be extracted from Giuliani today. On abortion, gays and guns. Also on what sort of person he will choose for VP. That will keep Conservative principals alive and raise a varsity player for a future election.

So really, in my opinion, you asked the telling question- almost. Are we Republicans first, Conservatives first, or do we compromise and do what's best for America first- acknowledging the circumstances - and candidates- which we face today and in the near future.

71 posted on 02/23/2007 8:39:32 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm supporting Speaker Newt in the GOP primary, and the way Newt has catapulted above Romney in the latest polls, perhaps there is hope we can pull this out. I think there is a good chance, even in the event Newt is not the nominee, that the GOP primary victor will select him as his running mate.

I will not join the "perfection" or "rejection" caucus, and sit idly by, or actively support a center-right third party fringe candidate, and allow the hildabeast to insinuate herself into the Oval Office. I will adamantly support the GOP 2008 general election standard bearer with everything I can muster.

72 posted on 02/23/2007 8:40:28 AM PST by AdvisorB
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To: Sabramerican
Having been a witness to NYC pre Giuliani, and the miracle he performed, I believe he is uniquely what America needs today.

We don't need a gun-grabbing, pro-choice, pro-CFR, pro-illegal, pro-global warming NE liberal who saw the Head of Homeland Security as a plum place to park a corrupt crony - and especially one who coveted 9-11 victim compensation monies as a cash cow for one of his companies.

73 posted on 02/23/2007 8:42:01 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Alberta's Child

Please remove me from your navel gazing commentary.


74 posted on 02/23/2007 8:42:29 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Lakeshark
Hillary for Pres is so comforting to me..........

That argument is not getting any traction. I suggest it be retired for the duration.

75 posted on 02/23/2007 8:44:02 AM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: Sabramerican
Promises could be extracted from Giuliani today. On abortion, gays and guns

His promises won't be worth jack, quite frankly, given how extreme several of his past views and actions have been. I simply will never trust him to not succumb to the same gun-grabbing, pro-illegal and anti-First-Amendment inclinations he had as mayor. He will have FAR more power to enact such actions as president, and the temptations will therefore be that much greater.

76 posted on 02/23/2007 8:44:03 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Alberta's Child

Brilliant, sir. Thanks for the ping.


77 posted on 02/23/2007 8:44:57 AM PST by Restore
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To: Alberta's Child

I'd probably vote for him in the general over a Dihimmicrat, but please people don't tell me he's a conservative.


78 posted on 02/23/2007 8:45:22 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Hillary Hugo Chavez wants to "take those profits" away from you, for the common good)
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To: Sabramerican

Well written reply, and a breath of fresh air. If more Giuliani supporters would talk about why they like the guy instead of belittling those of us who will not support him, this would be a more civil discourse.


79 posted on 02/23/2007 8:45:24 AM PST by conservatrice (Pass on the RINOs - Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Alberta's Child
What does Rupert Murdoch have to do with the term neocon. He's a long established slightly right of center Aussie media mogul, whose ideas about US politics, British politics or Aussie politics I'm completely uninterested in.

The term neocon is used as a pejorative when you don't even know what it means.
80 posted on 02/23/2007 8:45:29 AM PST by pissant
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