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Embryonic Stem Cell Research Financier Joins Pro-Gay Fundraiser To Host Mitt Romney San Diego Event
RenewAmerica ^ | Thursday, February 22, 2007 | James Hartline

Posted on 02/22/2007 9:23:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: Torie

"There is no right or wrong answer." Sticky point of great debate. How very lawyeresque of you to blur things to gray only, my friend. Have a good evening.


41 posted on 02/23/2007 9:48:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you. Same to you. Best.


42 posted on 02/23/2007 10:05:41 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Gelato

There are some that will find his position wrong. But I strongly reject the characterization of his position as a "please-all-side" or unprincipled position.

You can personally believe that an embryo outside the womb is not "human", but still recognize that others disagree and therefore oppose public funding of the research in deference to those who have strong opposition.

In fact, that is the argument Bush uses when he opposes the federal funding for the research.

And you could call Bush's position "unprincipled" as well. He allowed federal money for research on lines that had already been "something-or-other"ed, that sounded like they were already dead. But if allowing research on embryos that will NEVER be used and are slated to be destroyed anyway is wrong, you could argue it is also wrong to KEEP funding research on embryos that are simply a step further along in that process.

Anyway, my point is that Mitt's position is a consistant one, even if wrong to some people. And so long as he would veto requests for federal money, he should do what we need him to do. Bush isn't running around making speeches opposing the research at a private level (except cloning), and Romney apparently won't either (except for cloning).

So anybody who isn't up in arms over Bush's position shouldn't have a problem with Romney's position, IF you believe he is being truthful about it.


43 posted on 02/24/2007 5:37:14 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
There is a world of difference between the positions of Romney and Bush.

Bush made it clear that the destruction of embryos for research is immoral, and he therefore allowed the federal funds only for those 60 stem cell lines derived from the few embryos that had already been killed in 2001. Bush opposes "further destruction of human embryos," and has said, "There is no such thing as a spare embryo. Every embryo is unique and genetically complete, like every other human being. And each of us started out our life this way. These lives are not raw material to be exploited, but gifts."

Meanwhile, Romney sees nothing morally wrong with killing embryos for research. He touts an opposition to federal funds for ESCR merely to appear to be against something that he in principle favors. Not only is that called "trying to please both sides," it's deceitful.

44 posted on 02/24/2007 10:18:51 AM PST by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
And you could call Bush's position "unprincipled" as well. He allowed federal money for research on lines that had already been "something-or-other"ed, that sounded like they were already dead. But if allowing research on embryos that will NEVER be used and are slated to be destroyed anyway is wrong, you could argue it is also wrong to KEEP funding research on embryos that are simply a step further along in that process.

That is true. The allowing of research on the already existing lines is akin to finding utilitarian use for murdered bodies, and I do find that unprincipled.

Nevertheless, Bush has maintained an opposition to the further destruction of embryos. That is the thing that distinguishes him from Romney, who sees no intrinsic value in embryonic human life.

45 posted on 02/24/2007 10:27:04 AM PST by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: EternalVigilance; markomalley; 4lifeandliberty; abigail2; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby Ping!

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46 posted on 02/25/2007 7:38:24 AM PST by cgk
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To: cgk; AFA-Michigan

Thanks for pinging your list. This is very important information, both in the lead article and in some very knowledgable posts on the thread itself, that speaks loudly to the veracity of Romney's so-called "conversion."

And the cartoon is a bullseye!


47 posted on 02/25/2007 7:52:01 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Phew! I was second-guessing the cartoon right after I hit post, but I'm glad someone else got my original intent :). I just found this one, too:


48 posted on 02/25/2007 8:07:25 AM PST by cgk
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To: cgk

OHHHH yeah! I hit "save" on that one. ;-)


49 posted on 02/25/2007 8:13:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping. I'll be adding Duncan Hunter to the keywords, since he is the best pro-life candidate for President.


50 posted on 02/25/2007 9:11:11 AM PST by Kevmo (The first labor of Huntercles: Defeating the 3-headed RINO)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 02/25/2007 11:17:53 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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52 posted on 02/25/2007 7:48:28 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: All

Hmmmmmmm.


53 posted on 02/25/2007 9:02:17 PM PST by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Romney still plans on attending this, this weekend.

http://www.sandiegorepublicans.org/events/

Friday, 3/16/07
12:30 PM


  Romney for President San Diego Host Committee Luncheon

Where: Manchester Grand Hyatt San Diego

When: Friday, March 16, 2007, 12:30 PM

The San Diego Host Committee of Romney for President, Inc. cordially invites you to join
them for a special luncheon with
Governor Mitt Romney

Friday, March 16, 2007
Manchester Grand Hyatt
America's Cup Room
One Market Place, San Diego, CA 92101

VIP Photo Reception  12:00 Noon
Contribution: $2,300 per person

Luncheon  12:30 P.M.
Contribution: $1,000

For further information, please contact Karolyn Dorsee at (858) 756-2027
Dorsee Productions
P.O. Box 455
Rancho Santa Fe, CA 92067
Fax: (858) 756-2597
E-mail: karolyn@dorseeproductions.com


54 posted on 03/14/2007 7:02:59 AM PDT by cgk (I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn’t. - Ann Coulter)
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To: EternalVigilance
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


55 posted on 03/14/2007 7:19:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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56 posted on 03/14/2007 7:29:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: cgk

Interesting. Thanks for that.


57 posted on 03/14/2007 9:44:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Stephen Douglas won a Senate seat. Abe Lincoln became an immortal...)
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To: EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson

You got this off of a message site it is just more opinions and the there is alkinds of Stem cell research not just Embyro!

Such as; umbilical cords, and some adult tissues,

Stem cells, which are found in embryos, umbilical cords, and some adult tissues, have the potential to develop into a range of muscles, organs, nerves, and other types of tissue in the body.

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There was a "Disclaimer" on that site you got this thread from!

Disclaimer

The views expressed by participants at the Minuteman Message Board are their own and do not
necessarily reflect the position of Alan Keyes, RenewAmerica, or its affiliates.Embryonic Stem Cell Financier Hosts Fundraiser 4 Romney
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True to you self EV just more gossip!

So now we are allowed to post from other message boards to peddle it as legit report!


58 posted on 03/14/2007 11:17:45 AM PDT by restornu ("Try to Lead by Example, Not by Trampling on Another!")
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To: restornu

You're ignorant. It's sad that you choose to remain in that state.

The facts about this event, and the people who are hosting it, are public knowledge.

http://www.sandiegorepublicans.org/events/


59 posted on 03/14/2007 11:28:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Stephen Douglas won a Senate seat. Abe Lincoln became an immortal...)
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To: restornu

Your many words about the various kinds of stem cell research are meaningless.

These people who are supporting Romney, and Romney himself, support EMBRYONIC stem cell research, using techniques that involve the destruction of human embryos.


60 posted on 03/14/2007 11:31:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Stephen Douglas won a Senate seat. Abe Lincoln became an immortal...)
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