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To: hellbender
They do NOT make sweeping statements like "everyone can do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone." No adult believes that rights are unlimited.

Indeed. They are limited by the rights of other people. Your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins.

History shows that societies which allow abortion move on to deprive other classes of humans of the right to life,

Please do cite the historical precedents. I'm very interested.

I can see a spiritual descendant of Rudy G. saying: "Personally, I'm opposed to killing off Grandpa

The vision might go away if you get some more sleep.
127 posted on 02/22/2007 12:07:06 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
Indeed. They are limited by the rights of other people. Your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins.

Where do unalienable rights come from? Society? If so, rights can be rescinded by society. Ourselves? Same problem. The State? The State can vote to rescind rights.

Eternal rights can only come from an eternal lawgiver, God. And God cannot give us the right to do evil. So no one enjoys an unalienable right to do evil, even if these evils don't immediately affect others.

The State my permit evils for prudential reasons, but not because people enjoy a God-given right to do evil. This is where libertarian thought is so fundamentally confused.

139 posted on 02/22/2007 12:34:15 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: LtdGovt

We allow all kinds of activities to go on in "public places." People get up and make speeches, pass out leaflets, hold art exhibits, play musical instruments, etc. Why not allow those nice "sex workers" to ply their trade, hmm? They're not "harming anybody, and "everyone can do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone." Everyone knows prostitution is a victimless crime, just like gambling or getting drunk, right?

Oh, now you admit that rights are limited by the rights of other people?

Then the right of a woman to "choose" abortion is null because she is depriving another human being of the paramount right, the right to life.

Game, set, match. Thanks for showing how flawed the "pro-choice" position is.

As for historic precedents, try the Soviet Union. Abortion was a "right," and officially encouraged. That's about the only right anyone had over there.

Then there's modern Europe, which is following the logical progression from abortion/infanticide, to euthanasia of the old, to assisted suicide for the mentally ill, etc.


140 posted on 02/22/2007 12:38:35 PM PST by hellbender
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