Posted on 02/22/2007 7:27:03 AM PST by meg88
hursday, Feb. 22, 2007 8:13 a.m. EST
Rudy Giuliani: 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose' Abortion
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Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani met with firefighters and police officers in this early voting state Wednesday, using the forum to reference the Sept. 11 terror attacks, which earned him national attention.
"The first people that arrive on the scene of the bombing or the anthrax attack ... it's going to be one of your brothers or your sisters or you that gets to do it," the former New York mayor told a crowd of about 200 emergency workers. "Your ability to do it well will once again determine if we save lives - save America."
Giuliani compared firefighters and police to uniformed military personnel and said the federal Department of Homeland Security needs to ensure first responders "have the training and protection you need to defend your country."
Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.
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On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.
"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.
"I believe that you've got to run based on who you are, what you really are and then people actually get a right to disagree with you," he said. "And I find if you do it that way, even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."
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"We're a tremendous amount of time away from an election," he said. "We haven't even gotten to a primary yet. The best thing we can do now is organize."
© 2007 Associated Press.
Do you support the right of individuals to use birth control and for the free availablility of the same?
Prochoice = proabortion. Don't EVEN try to come on here with that happy crappy, you won't get very far.
What if the rapist was of another race?
What is an IUD?
There are two IUDs available on the US market, the Progestasert and the Paragard copper-T. The IUD remains a medically safe method for many women and is the reversible contraceptive method used by more women across the globe.Medical practice and protocol in the US are that IUDs are not prescribed for women who have not carried a pregnancy to full term. A woman's uterus is smaller if she has not carried a pregnancy to full term, and a smaller uterus poses greater risk for irritation from the IUD and subsequent infection of the uterus.
Medical practices are different in different countries. Female students who have come to Brown with an IUD may not be able to replace it once here.
How does it work to prevent pregnancy?
IUDs work by preventing an egg from being fertilized, although scientists are not exactly sure how this happens. Theories about this process include:
- It affects the way the sperm or egg moves
- Substances released by the IUD immobilize sperm
- It moves the egg through the fallopian tube too fast to be fertilized.
The copper in the ParaGard adds to the effectiveness of the IUD in other ways. It affects the lining of the uterus by not allowing an egg to implant and it stimulates the production of prostaglandins, chemicals that affect the hormones needed to support a pregnancy. The ParaGard can be a long-term method that may be left in for 8 years.
The Progestasert IUD prevents pregnancy by releasing the hormone progestin, which thickens the cervical mucus. This acts as a barrier to prevent sperm from entering the uterus. The Progestasert also affects the lining of the uterus to prevent an egg from being implanted. Because of the hormonal component of the Progestasert, it must be replaced yearly.
How effective is the IUD in preventing pregnancy and STIs?
The IUD is one of the most effective methods of contraception available. The rate of pregnancy for women using the ParaGard is 0.8% and for women using the Progestasert the rate is 2%. However, IUDs do not offer any protection against sexually transmitted infections (STIs).
If you had lived in Germany during Hitler's time would you have thought that the Nazi death camps were not a leading matter facing Germany? The American abortion holocaust is just as deadly to unborn and partially born human lives as Hitler's was to Jewish human lives. The scorecard so far is 6 million deaths in Nazi death camps, and 48 million deaths in America's abortion mills. The main difference is that Hitler didn't make money from the death camps but America's abortion industry makes millions every year from it's death clinics. America will eventually face the judgement of God for allowing this murderous industry to continue it's deadly business just as Germany was judged severely for it's own holocaust. But America is not Germany, and we will be judged more severely because we have received greater blessings from God from the very first days of the nation than any other nation on earth. A just God will not tolerate this degree of evil by a nation on which he has bestowed protection and help in every time of trouble in far greater abundance than on any other nation in history.
I could admire Giluliani for some of his accomplishments in NYC if not for his approval of abortion and special "rights" for homosexuals. A man can't change his innate character, which is more important to me than his political philosophy which he can change at will. Any man who can approve the killing of innocent unborn and partially born human babies has an extremely serious character flaw that I can't overlook for the sake of political expediency. I will never under any conceivable circumstances vote for a pro-abortion candidate for any public office at any level of government. I can't accept that serious character flaw in a person holding a position of trust and authority.
You may say "Oh but the nominee of the other party is also pro-abortion so why not vote for the lesser of two evils overall"? To which I would reply, I don't intend to vote for the other party's nominee either, and for many, many reasons besides his or her position on abortion. Someone once said that he would rather be right than president, but I would rather be true to my principles regarding the sanctity of human life than to help elect someone simply out of loyalty to a political party.
Does that make it not human in your mind? I can't believe you're asking that.
What does that have to do with anything?
I assume the "they" in that sentence is black people right? Well, 4/5th's is less than 5/5th's, isn't it?
At any rate, as I said, I don't want to get into one of the infamous debates that seems to slowly burn as an ember on FR, until someone brings it up, namely the Civil War.
Quite frankly, I think any state should be able to honor their dead any way they want. (State flags having the Confederate flag, Confederate societies, etc, all fine with me)
Conversely, I don't care what "abuses" Lincoln and the North heaped on the South, slavery is one of those inherent evils I was talking about upthread, and thus, not worth preserving/ignoring for the sake of the Constitution, as such actions would make the Constitution meaningless, much more meaningless than simple ignorance of "state's rights".
Maybe. But I find the murder of an innocent even more disgusting.
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Provided we're talking about pre-pregnancy birth control that doesn't kill an already implanted baby, then that is an individual religious/ethical decision.
My experience was in 1980 so I hope it has changed.
I agree. Diverting this thread to a discussion of contraception would make it much easier for those who support Rudy.
They wouldn't have to deal with the rejection of his abortion positions by a huge percentage of the Republican Party.
Gotta go now. See y'all later.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. You seem to believe that the majority of this country believes abortion is "ok", I do not. This is where I get my "fanciful" projection, from my belief that the majority of my fellow countrymen believe as I do, that abortion is an inherently evil act, and, at the very least, would not fight to KEEP it legal, should their state be given the ability to decide for itself.
Polls Show Majority Oppose Unrestricted Abortion
SUZANNE HAUGH, Special To The Bulletin
Published: February 8, 2007
ATLANTA—Recent polls point to an emerging pro-life attitude among the American public, including the post-Roe generation of young adults.
“There has been an interesting series of polls … indicating that the American public tends to be pro-life,” said Deirdre McQuade, spokesperson for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities. “People with a pro-life attitude don’t necessarily call themselves pro-life. But when you start asking questions about when abortion should be permitted, and break it down, it doesn’t map out the same as what Roe v. Wade has ushered in.”
According to Zogby International, which has tracked public opinion on many topics in many countries since 1984, a total of 56 percent of 1,209 respondents from across the nation agreed that either abortion should be illegal (18 percent) or that there should be limits on abortion (38 percent). These limits include making abortion legal only when the mother’s life is in danger (15 percent) or legal when the mother’s life is in danger or in cases of rape and incest (23 percent). Since abortions actually performed under these circumstances are “extremely rare,” the Zogby study suggests that a majority of Americans oppose “approximately 96 percent of all abortions.”
Also in the poll conducted in 2004, close to 51.6 percent of young adults, ages 18 to 29, called themselves pro-life, and 65 percent of them believe abortion should not be permitted once an unborn baby’s heartbeat begins (usually around day 21 of the first month).
Read the rest: http://www.georgiabulletin.org/local/2007/02/08/polls/
Maybe it should be. Those of us who are considering who to vote for would be wise to consider whether we want "social conservatives" in office who would include birth control pills and IUDs in any ban on abortion. I sure as heck don't. I'm not near ready to let it go that far.
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