Rudy Giuliani: [to SC Firefighters & Police] 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose Abortion'

Associated Press/Newsmax.com ^ | 2.22.07 | staff report

[meg88]

hursday, Feb. 22, 2007 8:13 a.m. EST

Rudy Giuliani: 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose' Abortion

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Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani met with firefighters and police officers in this early voting state Wednesday, using the forum to reference the Sept. 11 terror attacks, which earned him national attention.

"The first people that arrive on the scene of the bombing or the anthrax attack ... it's going to be one of your brothers or your sisters or you that gets to do it," the former New York mayor told a crowd of about 200 emergency workers. "Your ability to do it well will once again determine if we save lives - save America."

Giuliani compared firefighters and police to uniformed military personnel and said the federal Department of Homeland Security needs to ensure first responders "have the training and protection you need to defend your country."

Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.

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On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.

"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.

"I believe that you've got to run based on who you are, what you really are and then people actually get a right to disagree with you," he said. "And I find if you do it that way, even people who disagree with you sometimes respect you."

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"We're a tremendous amount of time away from an election," he said. "We haven't even gotten to a primary yet. The best thing we can do now is organize."

© 2007 Associated Press.

[Fawn]

Hello there

Rudy on H & C Part 1

Rudy on H & C Part 2

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- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.
- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.
- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.
- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.
- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.
- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.
- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.
- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.
- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.
- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.
- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. the NY Times called it slavery.
- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood.
" - Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.
- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman. - Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working.
" - Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.
- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.
- Rudy was for school vouchers Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".
- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.
- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.
- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.
- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.
- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.
- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.
- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.
- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.
- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.
- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.
- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.
- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.
- Rudy privatized municipal assets.
- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.
- Rudy divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.
- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.
- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.
- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do.
" - A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning. The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.
” - Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.
- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.
- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.
- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.
- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.
- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.
- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.
- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.

[redgolum]

Ah, the "only hope" to beat Hillary alienates the voters once again.

[tumblindice]

"I was arguing against some post who claimed that the Constitution actually prevents states from enacting liberal abortion laws - which is a blatant falsehood."

But the Consitution does actually proscribe states from enacting laws contrary to federal law, in the so-called `premption clause'.
(And the Commerce clause. For better or worse, it's called 'Federalism'.)
Article. IV.
Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

As I'm sure you know, the SCOTUS also decided Plessy v. Ferguson, bolstering slavery.

[zarf]

LIFE is a MENTIONED

What about potential life? Is masturbation a sin? Is it murder too?

When does life begin and in who's opinion

This is all debatable....not in your mind, maybe not in mine, however it's not cut and dry as you like to present it.

[zarf]

LIFE is a MENTIONED

What about potential life? Is masturbation a sin? Is it murder too?

When does life begin and in who's opinion

This is all debatable....not in your mind, maybe not in mine, however it's not cut and dry as you like to present it.

[FourtySeven]

I'm struck by this obvious comparison:

it should be up to the states to determine its policy regarding unborn life colored people and abortion slavery, not up to the court. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the Court to make determinations about unborn life slavery and impose them on the states. [except where the Constitution USED to say that non-whites were worth less than white people]

Just something to consider. I don't wish to sidetrack the thread into a debate about the Civil War, as I do wish the issue could have been decided via the "state's rights" course, and indeed, I hope that abortion can be done so as well. I wouldn't mind if some states still allowed abortion, as long as others could outlaw it; this would make it (abortion) easier to contain, combat, and eventually destroy in all 50 states.

However, I will not be saddened in the least bit if we have a bit of "conservative judicial activism" (to use an oxymoron), with regards to abortion. Abortion is an inherent evil, just like murder: Sometimes, extremism is justified in resisting inherent evil, because if we "preserve the Constitution" above all else, by tolerating inherently evil acts, then the "Constitution" is worthless.

[Little Ray]

Gee, pro-abortion, pro-illegal, pro-gay, pro-gun control, and, IIRC, pro-Kyoto. Whats not to like about Rudy? Frankly, if these issues haven't been settled in the GOP, we need to tear it apart and do some work on it.

[xzins]

Fortunately, we are not at the point yet that we have to choose between only 2 evils. The primaries include a couple of really good people. Duncan Hunter is the best announced conservative to date.

[Theophilus]

I love America's Mayor. His legacy of heroism and leadership is secure in history. I'll support him, I really will, in his tough decision to permanently end his campaign for the Presidency.

[Theophilus]

I love America's Mayor. His legacy of heroism and leadership is secure in history. I'll support him, I really will, in his tough decision to permanently end his campaign for the Presidency.

[zarf]

even morning-after birth control for cases of rape and incest.

Which should not be available according to some.

[Theophilus]

I love America's Mayor. His legacy of heroism and leadership is secure in history. I'll support him, I really will, in his tough decision to permanently end his campaign for the Presidency.

[George W. Bush]

What about potential life? Is masturbation a sin? Is it murder too?

zarf, we don't care about your personal habits. Exercise your 'right to choose' there. But don't ask us to help you murder the unborn.

[linda_22003]

It may have bolstered segregation, but I don't see how Plessy "bolstered slavery" over thirty years after the end of the Civil War.

[xzins]

A law is not a right.

We are endowed with "rights" by our Creator. Those rights are not able to be taken away by any law or leader or government.

There is no right to kill babies.

It is an illegal order if one wants to use a military term.

[tumblindice]

sorry, bad cite above: working & lurking

here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

[sasafras]

"The woman does have a right to choose."

She does - please show me where in the Constitution where that right was afforded?

[George W. Bush]

even morning-after birth control for cases of rape and incest. Which should not be available according to some.

That is a primarily a Catholic question. It's not clear how it shakes out to the general public and to the law.

Normally, I consider a pregnancy to begin when you have a fertilized egg that has attached itself to the mother's womb. Catholics might not agree. But we do not, after all, hold funerals for fertilized eggs that simply failed to attach and create a human being, being flushed in menses. I also don't consider a tubal pregnancy to be a human life. That will end only in the death of mother and the doomed child.

I oppose embryonic research as well. But I have some mixed feelings about it, given my personal standard for what comprises a pregnancy. I am more against it out of fear of what it will become rather than what it currently is. The fact that embryonic research has only succeeded in treatments that give the patient brain cancer makes my position easier.

[xzins]

Masturbation

I suspect you need to go back to biology class.

A baby implanted in the womb is a human life. There is no right to kill babies. If it was not a life, they would not have to abort it.

This topic is cut and dried. First, Life is a RIGHT granted by our Creator. No government can take that away. Secondly, The US CONSTITUTION specifically forbids depriving one of LIFE. It is OVERTLY mentioned in the 5th Amendment.

[Alamo-Girl]

Well said, dear brother in Christ!