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To: Dominic Harr
To be personally pro-choice is generally thought to be a liberal. However, as a "conservative" by and large, I say let the states decide. The fact that Roe vs. Wade usurped the Tenth Amendment is my primary beef against it. Pragmatically, I view abortion as a type of suicide in the long-term, and since studies over the last few years reveal that around 4 out of 5 people to indulge in this particular "right" are leftist politically, I let it go at that. Never interrupt one's enemy when they're making a mistake. And yes, that means that millions of innocent lives are sacrificed. Seeing as we're dealing with humankind, that's nothing new. Cold? Yes, unfortunately. Freedom is not always pretty.

So I guess that to the people who use abortion as the sole litmus test of whether one is "conservative" or not, I guess I fail. But this definition is faulty, methinks. Adherence to the U.S. Constitution is what defines what is truly "conservative". And letting the states decide such moral issues, should they even choose to, is how this matter would be decided, if the USC was little more than toilet paper at this point in American history.

319 posted on 02/22/2007 1:34:41 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: Joe Brower
Adherence to the U.S. Constitution is what defines what is truly "conservative".

Preamble, US Constitution

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Our "posterity" consists of those yet unborn, does it not? This Preamble, the laying out of the very premises for our Constitution, grants our posterity equal footing with ourselves. The founders considered YOUR rights to have equal standing with their own.

Fifth Amendment, US Constitution

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

"Due process of law" consists of a fair trial on a capital offense. Just exactly what capital offense are the unborn guilty of, and when did one of them receive a fair trial concerning said "offense?"

Fourteenth Amendment, US Constitution

Section One

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Any State.

332 posted on 02/22/2007 1:49:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Rudy Giuliani is the answer; if the question is: "Who can most effectively destroy the GOP?")
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To: Joe Brower
Adherence to the U.S. Constitution is what defines what is truly "conservative".

That's my feeling, also.

When I say 'conservative' I mean I believe in a conservative use of federal govt power. I like the 'component architecture' set up by the founders. States decide these issues for themselves.

I'm pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. Which some would say is impossible. :-D So I'm living proof the impossible can happen!

334 posted on 02/22/2007 1:51:00 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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