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Driver's Licenses Get a Makeover
Stateline.org ^ | February 20, 2007 | Jennifer Nedeau

Posted on 02/21/2007 2:41:17 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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1 posted on 02/21/2007 2:41:18 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The changes are mandated by the 2005 federal Real ID Act

States are awaiting specific rules on how to comply with Real ID from the White House Office of Management and Budget, which plans to release them by early April.

So, what's the hold up? Are things just really, really busy there in the Office of Management and Budget? ;^)

2 posted on 02/21/2007 2:58:50 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Does this mean that the pictures on the drivers licenses will be better.

True stories:
I heard that one person in Morgantown WV was rejected by a bar because his picture was too good.
One lady had a picture that made her look African American (she was a red head).
3 posted on 02/21/2007 3:10:22 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"Driver’s licenses across the country are going high-tech, with invisible features to stop identity thieves scheming to commit credit card fraud or just hoping to buy a beer before turning 21."


What a Joke. They stores don't even check ID's when taking credit cards. Most of them never even handle or look at your credit card anymore. You just swipe you card in the reader and put it back in your pocket.


"States began taking action after discovering that 18 of the 19 hijackers used valid state-issued driver's licenses or ID cards to board the airliners they crashed."

So the licenses were valid....Not forged. So how does this act help anything?

"Biometric technology allows motor vehicle agencies to capture physical characteristics – facial features, fingerprints, handprints or iris scans – and feed them into a database. The data is processed by a numerical algorithm to create a digital template of the physical feature. Once a driver’s face or thumbprint is in the database, the motor vehicle agency can match his or her true identity against that of anyone who might try to get a license using stolen personal information."


Very Bad. Once this information is stolen then it cannot be changed. You are who you are. If you have not committed a crime then the States have no right to this information.

And it is a national ID card for suckers who don't see it for what it is.

Of course By the looks at the comments I see lately Then I would say we have been hopelessly Sheeplized in our society anyways. Even here at FR. Bahhhhhhh


4 posted on 02/21/2007 3:27:32 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel

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5 posted on 02/22/2007 1:46:03 AM PST by quietolong
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
States began taking action after discovering that 18 of the 19 hijackers used valid state-issued driver's licenses or ID cards to board the airliners they crashed.

Um, whose drivers licenses were they? Many of those terrorists were resident aliens for years, IIRC.
6 posted on 03/10/2007 5:42:55 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2; Revel
The plain english of the article says that if we had biometric and unbreakable secure "uniform state ID cards" (aka federal ID cards) in 2001, then 18 of the 19 hijackers would have used valid state-issued driver's licenses or ID cards with biometric and unbreakable secure "uniform state ID cards" to board the airliners they crashed.

So how do these things help stop terrorism? Nothing. Just gives the feds another way to accuse us of being somewhere we never were.

Hello? And what did the 19th one use? A secure Blockbuster card?

The more these are said to be "foolproof" the more easily someone can frame an unsuspecting dope. Did you kill her? Your secure RFID tag said you were there. It's your word against the federal expert witness.

7 posted on 03/10/2007 5:51:52 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Calpernia

"using computer software to digitally map an applicant’s facial features to prevent thieves from using multiple identities to get real driver’s licenses."


Although I tend to favor some of this techology for VOTE FRAUD prevention, the scene in '1984' where the exercise instructor demands that Winston participate more enthusiastically comes quickly to mind.


8 posted on 03/10/2007 6:16:01 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: sam_paine

Some other folks were pointing out that these "Real ID" schemes would likely make identity theft even more of a problem than before. I hope that this program lasts about as long as the alien and sedition acts.


9 posted on 03/10/2007 6:36:21 PM PST by dr_who_2
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"Real ID" schemes would likely make identity theft even more of a problem than before.

I like those touchpad/stylus credit card things. "Please sign the digitizer, please, to prove that you signed."

Now that your signature is digitized, and we have your credit card on record, we regret to inform you that a hacker logged that data and bought some shovels and ice picks from a Home Depot in Palm Beach County. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we really do need to interview you regarding a murder case here. Nothing to worry about. Very standard procedure. Whhere WERE you by the way on the night in question?

10 posted on 03/10/2007 6:50:37 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Those digital signature things record completely illegible signatures anyway if a signature is required at all. I seriously doubt that a handwriting analyst would ever be employed to figure out whether a credit card transaction is legitimate or not. Credit cards may rely on a little more than just the number on the front of the cards these days, but I expect it's a band aid solution that doesn't really reduce fraud all that much.


11 posted on 03/10/2007 6:55:58 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Cue Ben Franklin quote...


12 posted on 03/10/2007 7:01:56 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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So if the digitizer is crappy, why did they go to the expense of adding it to the transaction?

Either they think it helps them, or they think it makes you feeeel better about a totally insecure transaction.


13 posted on 03/10/2007 7:02:16 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Precisely. Kind of like all those government-supervised baggage checks you undergo at the airport.


14 posted on 03/10/2007 7:04:55 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: sam_paine
When RFID tags go into licenses, thats when I place mine in a special
case to prevent tracking. Imagine the market for those cases?
15 posted on 03/10/2007 7:08:02 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Also reminiscent of the Lentz Card. Jacobus Lambertus Lentz, collaborated with the Nazis in 1941 to improve the existing ID cards and data processing systems.

August 17 (1941), Lentz devised a unique tamper-proof personal identification card that could not be forged. Translucent inks were employed to print key words that disappeared under a quartz lamp. The stamp franking was acetone-soluble. Photos of the individual were affixed front and back through a window transparently sealed and adhered with permanennt glue. A fingerprint of the person's right index finger was then impressed upon one of the photos so it always displayed through a small window. The individual's signature on watermarked paper completed the document, which included personal details.

Having created an ID Card, Lentz then anticipated the occupying Nazis demands for censuses and lists of Jews and non-Jewish slave labourers (categorised by skills and education), which were used for the mass arrests and deportations, through his IBM Hollerith punched card analyses.


16 posted on 03/10/2007 7:55:38 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MaxMax
Someone anticipated that:

DIFRwear

17 posted on 03/10/2007 7:59:43 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sam_paine

Agreed.

Also note that once your biometrics are stolen then there is nothing you can do to change them. They were what you were born with.


18 posted on 03/10/2007 8:29:48 PM PST by Revel
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; Calpernia

"People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word."

http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/articles/col-1984quotes.htm


19 posted on 03/11/2007 7:07:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; All

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin


20 posted on 03/11/2007 7:09:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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