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The hell with honor. We need to destroy the enemy as long as it takes. This mission is enduring. There will be no surrender papers signed on the deck of some ship. Cheney needs to get re-focused. The polls are in the tank, so who cares. Get as many as possible.

Statements about returning with honor is dripping with political b.s. The soldiers and sailors just want to do the job, come home, and if three years later they have to redeploy, so be it. They didn't join to sell girl scout cookies. Its the mission, not about perceived honor.

You wrote, "The hell with honor. We need to destroy the enemy as long as it takes... The polls are in the tank, so who cares. Get as many as possible."

I never thought Vice President Cheney would lose his nerve--or his spine. I'm hoping it was a thoughtless gaffe, not Nixonian codespeak for ignominious defeat. Republican leadership better start talking 'Peace with victory,' or they'll undermine morale more than the Democrats could hope for with their 'slow bleed' strategy.

I despair sometimes. It seems that a sizable proportion of our national leaders, left and right, are either actively conniving to arrange a defeat or are frantically attempting to cut political losses. I think many on both sides badly, tragically misread the American people, who want to win and who know victory is possible, and who are evidently made of sterner stuff than our feckless leadership.

The way to win is to hunt down and kill the enemy, and keep killing him until he is dead or knows he is beaten. It means getting your hands dirty--or bloody, as the case may be. War is an altogether messy, uncertain business: always a roll of the dice, never a sure thing, and not for the faint-hearted.

I voted for this President. I believe in this President. I can't believe he would ever condone a Nixon-like 'peace with honor' solution.