Posted on 02/20/2007 4:57:36 PM PST by Bokababe
The family can’t seem to decide:
Mr. Talovic’s motive remains a mystery, investigators say…The gunman’s aunt, Ajka Omerovic, and his father, who was visibly exhausted, spoke to a reporter just hours after Mr. Talovic’s body was cleansed in an Islamic ritual in preparation for its burial in Tuzla, Bosnia…
No religious Balkan Muslims to see here, move along.
Until Serbian forces began a siege of Talovici in April 1992, they said, theirs had been a humble but happy life…...
How about: Until fundamentalist Bosnian Muslim President Alija Izetbegovic decided he wanted to carve out an Islamic state in Europe, theirs had been a humble but happy life in Bosnia.....
(Excerpt) Read more at juliagorin.com ...
How in the heck does your teenaged kid have that kind of weaponry and ammunition and you don't know it? People were incredibly tough about asking these questions of the parents of the Columbine shooters, but these Muslim parents are being handled with kid gloves!
I agree. Why haven't they tried to dig up any dirt to be found on this murderer?
I wasn't even in high school when the Bosnia war started. What I know about it, I learned from the news.
What's the real story?
" just hours after Mr. Talovic’s body was cleansed in an Islamic ritual in preparation for its burial "
Should have been soaked in pig fat...
Ask ten different people that question, you'll get ten different answers. The best answer I think is contained in the video documentary posted here. It's not short or easy, but it is a fair & accurate potrait of how Yugoslavia came unglued.
It pisses me off that they always portray themselves as the victims... neglecting the fact that they were the ones who attacked Christian communities. Christians can always co-exist with other religions even Islam, but the problem is, the muslims themselves tend to take advantage of it to dominate.
Wish these reports that the perp kid was "just a victim of war trauma" will just end just like how an A-Bomb will end a living thing... Change his name to "terrorist" not an "emotionally troubled" youth.
Almost from the very beginning of Islam, there were wars upon wars between Christians and Moslems. We remember the Crusade wars, seven major and several minor, which lasted for centuries. This is the story of the Battle of Lepanto, which marked the end of the Crusades and was a turning point in the history of Christianity.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=177457
Title: Your Protection From Shootings, Vehicular Run Downs, Bombings
Source: Sources Noted Within Article
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org
Published: Feb 18, 2007
Author: Patrick B. Briley
Post Date: 2007-02-18 22:38:07 by OKCSubmariner
Ping List: *TerrorismCoverup*
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Copyright 2007 by Patrick B. Briley
Innocent citizens are being faced with being killed in America at an alarming and increasing rate by Muslim extremists in shootings, vehicular run downs, and bombings.
The beltway sniper and Muslim convert John Muhammed gunned down and killed 10 innocent civilians in the Washington DC area in 2002.
In July 2006, a Muslim named Naveed Haq who said he was angry with Israel, went on a shooting spree at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle while killing one woman and injuring five.
An 18-year old Bosnian Muslim, Sulejman Tavolic, gunned down and killed 5 innocent men and women and youths just before Valentines Day 2007 at a Salt Lake City mall.
Innocent people were spared from being bombed by Muslim extremists at the Cherryvale Mall near Chicago in December 2007 thanks to great undercover work by law enforcement.
Omeed Popal, a Muslim from Afghanistan, killed one person and injured 14 after running them down in San Francisco in August 2006.
In March 2006, an Iranian student, Mohammed Taheri-azar ran down nine people with a SUV on the campus of the University of North Carolina while claiming he wanted to please Allah by killing “unbelievers”.
Student Joel Hinrichs, who attended mosques in Oklahoma, was killed after attempting to detonate a TATP bomb in the stadium at the University of Oklahoma that was filled with over 50,000 fans in October 2005.
Citizens have a right and an urgent need to protect themselves from this onslaught of Muslim extremist “lone wolves”. Federal authorities cannot be everywhere all the time to give citizens enough protection from these types of attacks.
Citizens can better protect themselves by gaining and sharing awareness of where Muslim extremists live, work and meet via neighborhood watches and computer networking and setting up and using databases on the Internet.
Parents of children who keep track of pedophiles living in neighborhoods across America use this same approach. Parents have been successfully trusted to do this in a responsible way without persecution or retaliation against any pedophiles in their neighborhood that leave their children alone.
For tracking potential Muslim terrorism in your area to work, you need the answer to this question:
Question: “How can citizens obtain information on possible Muslim extremists living in their neighborhood to put in an Internet database which can shared with, updated and also queried by their neighbors, friends, and relatives?”
Answer: “By becoming actively involved by gathering new information, learning about available information and sharing the information on Muslims in their area with the help of friends, neighbors and relatives, newspapers, and radio and television stations.”
First identify whether or not Islamic terror extremist organizations, mosques, charities, businesses and groups and individuals are in or near your city or town.
The U.S. government has relocated tens of thousands of Muslim refugees in major U.S. cities and some of these Muslims are known to have been associated with terrorism before coming to the U.S. The relocated Muslims who have not been associated with terrorism in the past but who are disaffected or have personal or mental problems are still ripe for being recruited by Islamic terror agents known to be operating in the U.S.
After the First Gulf War thousands of Iraqis were relocated in the U.S. in Oklahoma, Nebraska and elsewhere. Many of these refugees committed murders, rapes and robberies. One of them, Al Hussaini, was implicated in the OKC bombing. Secretary of State Condi Rice has just announced that 7000 more Iraqi refugees are to be relocated in the U.S. Find out if any of these new Iraqis will be relocated in your town or city.
If you do not agree with bringing new Muslim refugees to the U.S. call or write your newspaper and your Congressmen to complain.
In Salt Lake City the U.S. government relocated over 3000 Muslims there after the Kosovo/Bosnia conflict in the early 1990s. There is a strong possibility that there are more Bosnian Muslims like Sulejman Tavolic who may go on individual jihads in Salt Lake City. Tavolic’s father believes someone trained his son and gave him guns to do the shootings. See Father of Shooter Believes Someone Told His Son to Kill People
Al Qaeda cells were set up to train Bosnian Muslims in the early 1990s by Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant. Terror nation Iran was also very involved in supporting the Islamism separatist movement in Bosnia, and Hezbollah terrorist organization was doing training there in the 1990s. Training took place inside youth centers and school gyms. The goal was to create a network of like-minded cells as opposed to having the sort of permanent training camp. This type of activity is now going on in the U.S. and may have happened with Talovic. See Jihadists Find Convenient Base in Bosnia
Islamic message boards lately have been instructing individual jihadis to "keep it simple-namely shootings, car run downs etc. The Internet has been a tool lately for creating "virtual cells" of terrorists who never become part of formal organizations, but are encouraged by formal terror organizations on the Internet like Hezbollah and AlQaeda to carry out these acts of violence as “lone wolves”. This may have been the case with the Bosnian Muslim, Sulejman Tavolic, in Salt Lake City. If you observe any websites like this on the Internet, monitor them with your friends and neighbors and report them to your federal authorities and local newspapers, radio and television stations immediately.
The North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) controls many of the Islamic extremist mosques in the U.S. NAIT mosques teach a radical form of Saudi Arabian backed, Wahhabbist Islamic jihadi-style terrorism. NAIT has been on the FBI terror list. Many of the 9/11 hijackers attended NAIT mosques in the US. The AlNoor mosque in Salt Lake City attended by Sulejman Tavolic may have been a NAIT mosque. This mosque was only a block from the mall where Tavolic killed his victims.
Find out if the mosque in your town is affiliated with NAIT and if so, put it in your Internet database and report it to your friends and neighbors, newspaper, radio and television stations. Monitor and observe the mosque in your area for any suspicious activity and log what you observe on your database. Share your database with neighbors.
Islamic schools are also being built around many of these extremist mosques the U.S. Some of these schools also teach radical, jihadic Islam. Monitor, observe and log what is going on at these Islamic schools in your area. Muslim Student associations and student mosques in cities and towns hosting colleges and universities have become recruiting grounds for young Muslim jihadis. Monitor, observe, log, share and report what is going on with these Muslim student associations and mosques on campuses in your area.
Many Muslim charities in the U.S have been identified as raising and laundering monies for Islamic terrorist organizations such as Hamas, AlQaeda, and Hezbollah. Some of these charities were Holy Land Foundation and Benevolence International. Be aware that new charities with new names get created all the time to raise more money for Islamic terror. Monitor, observe, log, share and report what is going on with any suspicious Muslim charities in your area.
Muslim extremists have been observed in the U.S. casing sports arenas, inside and out, as well as malls, fairs, flea markets, churches and other places where people congregate. Last year two Pittsburgh Muslim college students were caught inside the Pittsburgh Steeler football stadium with video cameras. Explosive materials were found in their car. A year ago an alert was sent out for the NCAA basketball championships concerning Muslim plots to trap people inside basketball arenas. Monitor, observe, log, share and report what is going on with any suspicious Muslim activities near your area at where the public congregates.
Do research on Muslim imams, businessmen and Muslims living in your area to determine if they have terror ties or sympathies. Check newspaper stories for quotes from Muslim leaders in your area. Check publicly available records such as real estate, property and tax records. Take note of Muslim figures who are active in politics but who have a private or public anti Christian or anti American background or record. Take note of Muslims who are city, state or local employees in strategic positions that can be used to gain information for terror activities such as highway construction and design, water treatment, agriculture, law enforcement, homeland security, and even the military etc.
Observe Muslim neighborhoods, mosques, schools and businesses when it is safe to do so. Monitor, observe, log (on internet databases), share and report all dangerous and suspicious associations or activities you find with your observations and research.
The methods described in this article proved successful when used by private citizens who identified a Muslim Brotherhood super cell in the Oklahoma City area.
Critically examine and investigate what you are being told by the FBI and even reporters about tragic events that appear to have Muslim connections. Sometimes they may overlook important leads. Case in point- the employer for Talovic gave an alibi for Tavolic that he was at work from 8 am to 5 pm the day of the shootings. However, mall employee Jeremy Jansen saw Tavolic case the mall at the Brew Pub in the early afternoon the day of the shootings. I called the Salt Lake City Tribune to point this out. It was something they had overlooked and were not going to originally follow up on because the FBI said there was no Muslim terror connection. Monitor, observe, log (on internet databases), share and report all discrepancies like this that might lead to evidence of a Muslim terror connection to tragic events in your area.
Be aware that devout Muslims, especially members of Wahhabist extremist sects and terror organizations, believe it is their religious duty to lie and deceive in a foreign land like America to promote Islam, a concept known to Muslims as “Takiya”. Be aware that the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) is a front organization that is well organized in America to lobby and donate to U.S politicians and law enforcement and to spread Muslim propaganda to all news outlets. One of CAIR’s favorite tactics is to dummy down the public, politicians and news media with false clams of persecution and “victimization” when a tragic event occurs and Muslims are suspected.
Circulate a flyer in your area with important, factual and accurate information to alert your neighbors of any specific Muslim attack threat you find in your area. Go to this link to see a flyer I am circulating nationwide about the threat from leading terror organizations that are active now inside America Terrorist Alert Flyer Alert
It is your legal right and civic duty to do these things for the public good and your personal safety. You diligence may save your life and the lives of those around you. Be polite to and do not persecute any law abiding and peaceful Muslims you encounter. Do not do anything foolish that could be used against you to further Muslim terror propaganda and agendas.
Copyright 2007 by Patrick B. Briley
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one additional note-
The Al Noor Mosque was also the mosque of the former Lebanese Marine Deserter : Marine Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun. Perhaps this mosque has more history than we are led to believe....
it was never "glued".. it was held together by fear and a gun.
To some extent that it is true, and to some extent it is not. That doesn't explain why there were so many inter-marriages and many non-communists from all ethnic groups who wanted to hang on to the idea of a united Yugoslavia. Fikret Adbic was a good example of that.
There has been a lot of talk about "creating multi-ethnicity" in the Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. But in fact, there was multi-ethnicity in Yugoslavia and it was destroyed in favor of new single-ethnicity countries.
This would be a great assignment for High School Students interested in their community. I am going to keep a data base, and do a few drive-bys. Asked a few folks about the Muslim folks and they just kinda shut down.
It would be good to know who we can trust and those that show signs of "hate."
that area of the world is and was always in conflict between the East and the West.... the Macedonians...(remember that guy that basically took over the known world)and the goths, muslims, persians, romans, greeks, athenians, vandals, visigoths, spartans, on and on...... there is NEVER going to be a united Yugoslavia, because there is no such place as Yugoslavia..... it was made up to control the population during the communist takeover under Tito.. then dissolved. Now it's back to basics...the man with the gun, makes the rules.
Seems that the separatists have more guns and are willing to clear out space for their own "kind".
War is the normal human condition, peace is the aberration. there is always conflict between those in power and those that seek power.
Islam as a system of rule is comparable to Nazism and Imperial Japan. It is a supremacist ideology, the world is "yours" for the taking. You are the chosen ones. All others are subhuman.
Caution. VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS!!!
What is even more disturbing, if that can be, is that Clinton was complicit in supporting these animals against the Christian Serbs.
Um..."my history" is that I was born and raised in California. My ancestors came to the US from Montenegro. But I get your point -- and you are half-right.
Yes, when Germany gets greedy it wants to move East -- the Balkans is where it goes. When Islam wants to move West-- same place -- Muslims get aggressive in the Balkans. It's not the inhabitants that make the rules, it's the outsiders who pry open the "cracks" of any differences that the inhabitants have with one another, empower one side against the other, and make it worse -- until there is a war. Then they take sides in the war.
But the "biggest local guns" don't always win, because too many outsiders have their own agenda and their own power to bring to the fight. Germany wanted an independendent Slovenia & Croatia & got it. The US -- for reasons unknown -- have empowered the Bosnian and Kosovo Albanian Muslims. All that is about "power", not morality & that's fine -- but let's not pretend that it is anything other than "because we can".
OK, I'm an American -- we can "empower Muslims in the Balkans", now tell me why we should? We are fighting a "war against terror" and then empowering terrorists -- why? Osama bin Laden was given a Bosnian passport under the Izetbegovic government who we supported. Why did we support the Bosnian Muslim radicals and not the Bosnian Christians in this fight? Or even the the real Bonsian Muslim moderates? There is a bin Laden mosque in Kosovo, built since we intervened on the Kosovo Muslim Albanians' side in 1999 and we've let these same Muslims tear down 150 ancient Christian churches and drive virtually all the non-Albanians out (including the the Jewish population). Why? Has the US become nothing other than "the muscle" for Saudi Arabian Wahhabi interests? Because that may or may not bother you, but it bothers me.
"there is NEVER going to be a united Yugoslavia, because there is no such place as Yugoslavia..... it was made up to control the population during the communist takeover under Tito.. then dissolved.
Yugoslavia existed pre-Tito. It was founded after WWI -- not WWII. But maybe you are right, maybe it should never have existed. But it did exist. It was a sovereign country, and if it was to come apart, it should have been by negotiation -- but we never tried to force the parties to the negotiating table. We just allowed it to be carved up according to the whims and will of the outside parties who wanted certain groups to be favored and others ignored, and when we joined the "carving up", it was based on what we wanted, not what they needed.
Again, those are rules of the "biggest gun" and maybe you are comfortable with the US being used as "the biggest gun" for something that is not about "US interests" or "the American way of life". I am not. Particularly if all we are doing is Saudi Arabia's bidding!
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