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Chattanoogan.com ^ | February 20, 2007 | Jim Shepherd

Posted on 02/20/2007 11:04:03 AM PST by holymoly

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To: Courdeleon02; All

I don't have much respect for a hunter who uses an assault weapon to kill an animal.

Hunting should not be easy, but be about skill and challenge.

Killing with an assault weapon seems to frankly be slaughter, in my opinion.

Hunt with a bow or traditional weapon and I respect hunting.

But, should assault weapons be banned? No, for once we do that, where does it stop? The Second Amendment includes all arms.


241 posted on 02/21/2007 8:27:38 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: arthurus; All

An F15 is not an arm, you moron.

Guns ONLY are covered by the Second Amendment, NOT MISSLES, NOT PLANES, NOT TANKS, NOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS, NOT BAZOOKAS.

All those weapons are NOT something the Second Amendment allows people to personally own.


242 posted on 02/21/2007 8:31:40 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: ExSoldier
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243 posted on 02/21/2007 8:32:42 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Rhiannon

Arms means a gun. That is what the founding fathers had, and I somehow doubt they envisioned us all with missles.


244 posted on 02/21/2007 8:35:06 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
See #234 Tench Coxe quote and then get back to me just what "...every other terrible implement of the soldier..." means to you.
I'll cede nukes/bios/wmds to you, but the rest?
If you can buy it/own it and use it properly, why bar it?
245 posted on 02/21/2007 8:38:44 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Courdeleon02
There is no reason for any hunter to have a war weapon.

Shove it.

246 posted on 02/21/2007 8:48:30 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: rwfromkansas
Arms means a gun.
It meant more than that. Would their swords not count?
The Hancock Returns
In September of 1774, Boston Patriots brazenly stole four brass cannon right from under British guard. The cannons were smuggled out of Boston and added to the growing caches of Colonial arms.

That is what the founding fathers had, and I somehow doubt they envisioned us all with missles.
The cannon, representing the most lethal firepower of the day, was the missile of the day.
Towns even pooled their resources to buy them.

247 posted on 02/21/2007 8:48:43 AM PST by philman_36
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To: rwfromkansas
I don't have much respect for a hunter who uses an assault weapon to kill an animal.

Hunting should not be easy, but be about skill and challenge.

First of all, "assault weapon" is a propaganda term, favored by the Brady Campaign, etc.

With that being said, I'd like you to explain to me just exactly how using a semi-automatic rifle makes hunting "easy".

Killing with an assault weapon seems to frankly be slaughter, in my opinion.

Please explain to me why a .30-06 fired from a bolt-action is "OK", while the same cartridge fired from the M1 Garand is "slaughther",

248 posted on 02/21/2007 8:50:52 AM PST by holymoly ("Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting bunny wabbits." - Jim Zumbo)
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To: rwfromkansas
You are hopelessly and utterly clueless as to what you are talking about.

There is no such thing as an "assault weapon". Its a fake term made up by gun grabbers. You're getting confused with an "assault rifle", which is a select fire (i.e. full auto and semi auto) smaller caliber rifle. The term is derived from Sturmgewehr (German for assault or storm rifle), which was the STG44 designed by the Germans at the end of WWII.

Get your facts straight before you spout off Brady style gibberish.

249 posted on 02/21/2007 8:59:10 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
There is no such thing as an "assault weapon".

Certainly there is, derived from the literal translation of the German term sturmgeschütz! But it's not a man-portable small arm. Example:

German medium assault gun is a thick-barreled 105-mm. gun mount on the chassis of the PzKw III tank. This weapon looks almost exactly like the 75-mm. Sturmgeschütz

250 posted on 02/21/2007 9:22:59 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: rwfromkansas
Absolutely wrong. Missiles are Arms. Battleships are Arms. And yes, F-15s are Arms. There was private ownership of warships and artillery when and after the 2nd was written and adopted. And the word in the 2nd is ARMS. Arms are tools for killing people and destroying things, for offensive operations and for self defense, for hunting squirrels and elephants. Take your argument that missiles and F-15s are not arms to the Pentagon. Those folks will disagree.

Your private definition of a word does not amend the Constitution. If it did then we would have no guns already, or anything like free speech.

251 posted on 02/21/2007 10:38:26 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: rwfromkansas

''Killing with an assault weapon seems to frankly be slaughter, in my opinion. ''

What's the difference between shooting a deer with a 308 bolt action rifle or a 308 Springfield Armory Socom with a 5 round huning magazine?


252 posted on 02/21/2007 10:50:17 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: archy
To the best of my knowledge a Sturmgeschütz is functionally translated as a howitzer rather than an assault weapon. I could be wrong, my Deutsch is rusty.

Regardless, Panzers are definitely not what the gun grabbers have in mind when they say assault weapons. Calling an SKS or a SPAS an assault weapon is ridiculous.

253 posted on 02/21/2007 10:55:40 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: rwfromkansas

You're quick to throw your opinions around and slow to defend them when challenged. What gives?


254 posted on 02/21/2007 11:00:15 AM PST by philman_36
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To: holymoly
These weapons have no practical use.

Dear Rep. McCarthy;

The Second Amendment has no clause stipulating the need for any reason for owning any type of firearm that We The People damned well please.

Please feel free to p!$$ right off.

255 posted on 02/21/2007 11:04:09 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Armedanddangerous; rwfromkansas
What's the difference between shooting a deer with a 308 bolt action rifle or a 308 Springfield Armory Socom with a 5 round huning magazine?

I've asked him virtually the same thing, and he won't give me an answer.

I'd really like to get his response to this Brady Campaign blog posting:

The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

Not only do they want to ban "sniper" rifles, but also:

..."sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition...scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings...They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons.

If he, and "hunters" like him, think their "sporting/hunting/deer" rifles are safe, they are sadly mistaken.

256 posted on 02/21/2007 11:05:46 AM PST by holymoly ("Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting bunny wabbits." - Jim Zumbo)
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To: arthurus
Just my two cents, but arms under the 2nd would be defined as a weapon that could be used in the context of a well-regulated militia, i.e. an infantry. F-15s and nuclear subs are not militia weapons, and therefore not included in the 2nd Amendment.

I don't support private ownership of nuclear or biological weapons and do not think they should be included as arms in the 2nd amendment, whereas tanks, shoulder launched missiles, grenades, and mortars very well could.

I'm not too sure about fighters. Even if a private citizen could own one, at tens of millions of dollars per plane, few could afford to buy one, much less get the training, ground support and maintenance that you would need to keep it operational. Defense contractors probably have some sort of clause in their contract which forbids them to sell to anyone not authorized by the Pentagon. Needless to say we probably would not qualify under their requirements.

257 posted on 02/21/2007 11:06:33 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: rbookward

Very well stated.


258 posted on 02/21/2007 11:06:33 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Your statement is right on. I see no difference and no more danger between a Military looking auto that is semi-automatic and say a Browning rifle of semi-automatic. They may even be the same caliber. Are they going to remove both of these models from the hunting catagory?
259 posted on 02/21/2007 11:23:59 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: GunRunner
To the best of my knowledge a Sturmgeschütz is functionally translated as a howitzer rather than an assault weapon. I could be wrong, my Deutsch is rusty.

Regardless, Panzers are definitely not what the gun grabbers have in mind when they say assault weapons. Calling an SKS or a SPAS an assault weapon is ridiculous.

Even GoogleTranslate lists *howitzer* as haubitze

The sturmgeschütz was something more, half-indirect artillery, but also very capable of Infantry support with direct fire- and not bad as an antitank *ambush Panzer* to boot. Just as the wheeled Flak 18 anti-aircraft gun proved to also be useful as a long-range artillery piece AND as a direct-fire weapon, so too did the various models of sturmgeschützen proove so useful and common that the abbreviation StuG came into use to designate different models.

Neither were they exclusively German: the Russians quickly copied, and the US even tinkered with a couple of designs.

So far as employment goes, the Germans used them on every front, and the Finnish use of German-built StuG IIIs proved particularly effective. If now mostly remembered by a few technical historians and old veterans, the Finnish sturmis have earned at least a little limelight, in both English and Finnish, if not their native language.

But I am amused by the idea that those flunkies coming to attempt to enforce a Nazi-inspired law expecting to find a tired old Chinese SKS might instead find something else awaiting them.


260 posted on 02/21/2007 12:05:02 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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