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Shooting Pain: The future of heat-beaming weapons.
Slate ^ | Sat, 17 Feb 2007 | William Saletan

Posted on 02/20/2007 5:08:51 AM PST by PurpleMan

"...We've just invented a weapon that fires a beam of searing pain.

"Three weeks ago, the U.S. armed forces tested it on volunteers at an Air Force base in Georgia. You can watch the video on a military Web site. Three colonels get zapped, along with an Associated Press reporter. The beam is invisible, but its effects are vivid. Two dozen airmen scatter. The AP guy shrieks and bolts out of the target zone. He says it felt like heat all over his body, as though his jacket were on fire.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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These "weapons" have been used for a while in theater.

O.K. my peeps... What are the philsophical implications of a weapon's lethality significantly decreasing yet the use of it sigificantly increasing.

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1 posted on 02/20/2007 5:08:53 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

Bookmark. This should be interesting...


2 posted on 02/20/2007 5:27:06 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: PurpleMan

Anything that can be used to disperse a crowd without leaving bloody bodies all around for television cameras is a good thing.

Especially if it is non-lethal.

Right now, a traffic accident in Iraq or Afghanistan could turn into an international incident if a humvee barreling down the road hits a kid. If the only way we have to disperse an angry mob is bullets, real or rubber, that is not good enough.


3 posted on 02/20/2007 5:28:47 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: PurpleMan

I'm not sure what you mean about philosophical implications. The less lethal "weapons" have always been the most used (such as harsh words, slaps). We only move up to the lethal stuff when we judge that we have to. I guess what you may mean is: if we had really more effective non-lethal weapons, would we use them a lot? Maybe we would find more uses for them. Personally, I've wondered for years about the possibility of a microwave room heating system. Just heating the meat in the room would probably save a lot of energy compared to heating the whole volume, but I'm not sure what effects being exposed to microwaves powerful enough to make your feel comfortably warm would be. This directed energy weapon probably works on microwaves, and it apparently is safe. If I were part of a crowd that the police wanted to disperse, I'd rather get hit with the heat ray than a water cannon or rubber bullets or maybe even tear gas.


4 posted on 02/20/2007 5:37:34 AM PST by Stirner
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To: PurpleMan

Hey, I could use one of these for my kids!!


5 posted on 02/20/2007 5:45:35 AM PST by refermech
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"What are the philsophical implications of a weapon's lethality significantly decreasing yet the use of it sigificantly increasing."

The real question is how hard a time our enemies will have duplicating the weapon. Imagine the effect on helicopter crews for example.


6 posted on 02/20/2007 5:46:31 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Stirner

You're correct. I was just writing fast to elicite thought.

The question of "If we had really more effective non-lethal weapons, would we use them a lot?" begs the question of to what frequency and what limitations would be used?

Would they be used indiscrimately since they're non-lethal?

Would we use them on just criminals? How about when crowds "begin" to get out of control? College campus sport "celebrations"? What about non-violent protests that do not have "official permits"? Those that have some elements that get out of control that the non-lethals escalate the violence? yada, yada, yada.

Just trying to think out of the techno-wiz implications.


7 posted on 02/20/2007 6:02:54 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

Excellent, more options for the Controllers to subdue the population.


8 posted on 02/20/2007 6:03:19 AM PST by Domicile of Doom (Center amber dot on head and squeeze for best results)
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Ever since Police got tasers they seem to use those for any reason. As we've all read about cases of people being tased for any infraction or perceived infraction. I expect this device to be minuturized enough to be mounted on a police car and used for the common traffic stop whether or not it's needed in a few years.


9 posted on 02/20/2007 6:07:14 AM PST by Domicile of Doom (Center amber dot on head and squeeze for best results)
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To: refermech
"Hey, I could use one of these for my kids!!"

Your bad.

Think of the applications, if not cost prohibitive every mailman could be armed with one of these. I could use it to nail those people who try and peddle their watchtower magazines.

10 posted on 02/20/2007 6:35:26 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Domicile of Doom

In today's news: Man in plane dispute shot with a Taser


http://www.fresnobee.com/263/v-printerfriendly/story/30373.html


11 posted on 02/20/2007 7:14:47 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: Domicile of Doom

I can also see a potential for use in interrogation. No marks, no permanent disfiguring evidence left on the detainees. The secret policemen are gonna love this one.


12 posted on 02/20/2007 7:28:26 AM PST by skepsel
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To: PurpleMan

Wow,
Can I mount one on the front of my truck?


13 posted on 02/20/2007 7:32:07 AM PST by Big Otto
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I loved the part about the AP reporter getting zapped. Perhaps Tony Snow should have this weapon to deal with the White House Press Corps.


14 posted on 02/20/2007 7:46:36 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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I could use it to nail those people who try and peddle their watchtower magazines.

Mount it discretely above your front door.

15 posted on 02/20/2007 8:43:10 AM PST by uglybiker (AU-TO-MO-BEEEEEEEL?!!)
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To: PurpleMan

Will it replace our beebers?


16 posted on 02/20/2007 8:45:01 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: PurpleMan

another tool for the government to use against its citizens.


17 posted on 02/20/2007 8:46:53 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Dont')
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To: PurpleMan

Set phasers on stun!


18 posted on 02/20/2007 8:54:28 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: uglybiker
"Mount it discretely above your front door."

The dogs usually alert me to anyone coming on the property, I was thinking hitting them from a 2nd story window as they start up the front walk.

Your idea sound good too. ;-D

19 posted on 02/20/2007 9:10:10 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: BulletBobCo
"Will it replace our beebers?"

Nothing can replaced our beebers, get cereal!

20 posted on 02/20/2007 9:11:39 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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