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The liberals have been trying to kill off HS football and basketball for years. They do bad things like build leadership, character, teamwork and the competitive spirit. And then there is that terrible "C Word" in both the YMCA and the YWCA names.

Therefore, I fearlessly predict that this new cause will soon take its rightful place among such worthy liberal missions as promoting gay marriages, adopting the Kyoto Accord, and banning red meat.

1 posted on 02/19/2007 5:45:08 AM PST by Zakeet
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"Michael Josephson"

Always picked last....


2 posted on 02/19/2007 5:47:27 AM PST by dakine
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The only reason I see sports not building character is the coaches. They set the tone for the team. I've seen too many coaches let bad, obnoxious and unsportsman like behavior go without dealing with it.


4 posted on 02/19/2007 5:48:33 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Ooops, and refs, too. They have to make the calls equitably for BOTH teams. When refs give away the game because of calling either calling everything on one team or nothing on the other, it cuts into the character building. I watched a game where the other team so deliberately injured one player that he HAD to leave the field because he could hardly stand. They were not called on any of it.


7 posted on 02/19/2007 5:51:07 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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As for "corporate villains", it is not likely- to get to these corporate echelons requires an IQ above and beyond that found in an athlete. Exceptions are possible, but rare.


8 posted on 02/19/2007 5:52:04 AM PST by GSlob
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Michael Josephson, president and founder of the institute, told the newspaper the report -- based on interviews with 5,275 high school athletes across the United States -- found that many coaches are "teaching our kids to cheat and cut corners."

If he only interviewed the kids, how does he know what the coaches told them? So-and-so told me such-and-such is not a very scientific methodology.

And if he only interviewed athletes, on what basis does he claim they cheat more than those who don't play sports?

10 posted on 02/19/2007 5:52:21 AM PST by freespirited (Demand perfection, get Hillary.)
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The liberals have been trying to kill off HS football and basketball for years.

True, but "Role models" like Koby Bryant, Magic Johnson, Michael Irvin,... have done more to destroy the task of building the character of young athletes than any liberal could ever do.

11 posted on 02/19/2007 5:52:48 AM PST by WesternPacific
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You are spot on with your thoughts.....I noted the study took place in CA so soon they will banning sports in schools in CA...Does this mean no more USC football?

My middle son would have been a candidate for Ritalin if he did not participate in sports....he needed to get rid of his abundance of energy somehow...
13 posted on 02/19/2007 5:53:10 AM PST by Kimmers
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"There is reason to worry that the sports fields of America are becoming the training grounds for the next generation of corporate and political villains and thieves," said Josephson.

The foul nursery of eeevil capitalists! Yes!

15 posted on 02/19/2007 5:54:08 AM PST by Graymatter
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Gee, no kidding.


20 posted on 02/19/2007 5:58:01 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Josephson Institute of Ethics in Los Angeles

OK, who funds these clowns and what's their agenda?

21 posted on 02/19/2007 5:58:13 AM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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In competitive sports there are winners and losers which is a big no, no in collectivist la, la, land.

In collectivist la, la land everyone must be losers who need the help of the wealthy narcissistic enlightened ones to get through life.
24 posted on 02/19/2007 6:00:21 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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The one thing I would say that would support this premise is the extreme pressure to win at any cost - no matter what the price.

See baseball/football/etc. doping with performance enhancing substances.

Personally, when I was in competition (world class Fencing, on Olympic training team in 1981/82) there was huge pressure. I did not succumb to this pressure.

Athletes must be held to high standards - not the BS standards (get caught doping and you get suspended for a few games crap) you see today.

It should be if you get caught doping, then you are done. period. No reprieve, no throwing yourself on the mercy of the court (pleading some lame-a@@ excuse that you were so pressured to perform crap), no nada. Done.

That builds character.
26 posted on 02/19/2007 6:00:32 AM PST by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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Competitive sports not only build character but also reveal it.

Pay attention to how an athlete behaves during the competition and after it. Do they gloat, trash talk or sulk? Or do they compete fiercely and respect their opponent during and after the competition?

I'm quite sure that those athletes who associate with the "C Word" reveal a lot more class, integrity and honesty as they compete.


29 posted on 02/19/2007 6:04:38 AM PST by MichiganCheese (If Hitlery is the answer, it must be a stupid question)
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Michael Josephson.

Try visiting charactercounts.org, if you would like to learn more. He was part of the Bush-Cheney transition team.

The headline is misleading. Sports does help build character. Big-time scholastic sports programs and their coaches and boosters do not.


30 posted on 02/19/2007 6:06:43 AM PST by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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Having coached rec council sports when my kids were younger (10-12 years ago) ago, my perspective a bit different from yours. I saw way too much evidence of parents living their lives through their kids, or putting undue pressure on the kids to succeed, or (the worst, imo) the ridiculous yelling at players/coaches/refs when things don't go their way. It is pervasive, and to think that the kids don't walk away with negative lessons learned is crazy.

I don't know where you live, but I'm in the so-called People's Republic of Maryland, and high school sports are bigger than ever here. More county schools using more taxpayer money to build stadiums with lights, so they can charge admission. I'm not seeing anyone trying to kill off the moneymakers.


33 posted on 02/19/2007 6:10:01 AM PST by dmz
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Sports CAN build character, that's why there is something in many sports that are a penalties for "unsportsmanlike" behavior. Meaning ungentlemanly behavior.

Still, sometimes you get coaches and or parents who are most crude, and they teach that.

One year my twins were playing soccer -- maybe 13-14 year olds. There was a player -- the son of the coach -- on the other team who throughout the game was taking cheap shots -- late hits on the goalie, trips, kicking the player and not the ball. The kid was mean, and whenever the kid-refs would call anything the bad player's father would bark there ears off, and no excuses for language.

I talked to my bigger twin who was playing fullback. Geesh, I said, we've got to do something about that kid before he hurts someone. There was a play were the goalie was drawn out and my son had to cover the goal. The meanie drove right into him and plowed him down. He got up, stepped right to the meanie, and walloped him in the gut. The other coach went ballistic, but the crowd had already started clapping, and my son got a yellow card.

When my son came off, I shook his hand. Good job, I said. The bullies got the message.

34 posted on 02/19/2007 6:13:28 AM PST by bvw
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This just in:

Survey: Church-going Does Not Build Character

"Conventional wisdom holds that church-going builds character, but a new survey suggests church-goers steal more money out of the collection trays than people who don't go to church."

Of course there will be cheating in sports - there's more opportunity to cheat, because there's more competition. That doesn't therefore mean that sports, and church-going, don't build character.


41 posted on 02/19/2007 6:22:49 AM PST by soxfan
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The problem sports is someone HAS to win.


44 posted on 02/19/2007 6:25:04 AM PST by WKB (Last wk I voted for Duncan, this Newt, next week Mitt, no rudi yet)
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Himself . . . and belly



45 posted on 02/19/2007 6:25:29 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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I was a scholarship student and football player for a tony, very liberal private school (K-12). When I went to my 30th anniversary reunion about 5 years ago, I found out they had stopped football the year after I left. (I wasn't THAT good).

I told the Alumni rep that this was the last time I would contribute to the scholarship fund. As much as I appreciate my education, I will not support the training of Euro-weeny socialist soccer players.


46 posted on 02/19/2007 6:32:09 AM PST by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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